Life Liberty and the Pursuit
Welcome to the Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit podcast. Come join Eric and Matt who are freedom-loving, meat-eating, gun-shooting American guys as they discuss a broad spectrum of topics ranging from States' rights, culture, and the 2nd Amendment to scotch, bourbon, and cigars. Eric & Matt are both former US Army combat veterans who served together while deployed to Iraq during OIF III. Eric is most notable for his YouTube channel Iraqveteran8888 which has over 2.75 million subscribers currently as well as his outspoken and no-compromise stance regarding the 2nd amendment. Matt, founded Ballistic Ink, a branding and merchandising company that serviced 2A content creators and the firearms industry. He also is a partner of Alliance jiujitsu Roswell located in Roswell GA and trains daily and competes regularly. He is very passionate about the 2nd amendment and freedom. Come along for the ride!
Life Liberty and the Pursuit
LLP Ep136: The Assassination of Charlie Kirk and America's Spiritual Awakening
Ask us a question. We will answer it on the podcast.
Show sponsors:
My Patriot Supply
MyPatriotSupply.com/LLP
Preparedness Month Mega Kit - 1 Year Emergency Food Supply + $1,500 in FREE Gifts
Charlie Kirk's assassination has sparked an unexpected spiritual awakening across America, revealing profound truths about our cultural landscape that few could have anticipated. What began as a senseless tragedy has transformed into a powerful catalyst for change, uniting conservatives while exposing the stark moral divide between political movements.
Kirk wasn't just another conservative voice – he was uniquely effective because of his approach. Walking onto college campuses without pretense, he engaged students in respectful dialogue, allowing them to speak their minds before responding with facts rather than emotion. This method made him exceptionally dangerous to those who rely on controlling information and indoctrinating youth. At just 31 years old, he represented everything the radical left feared: an articulate, principled conservative who could connect with young Americans through reason rather than rhetoric.
The aftermath of Kirk's death has been particularly revealing. While churches fill to capacity and prayer vigils attract thousands, certain leftist circles celebrated his murder with shocking callousness. This contrast hasn't gone unnoticed by everyday Americans who increasingly recognize the moral bankruptcy of radical leftism. What's emerging is a genuine religious revival – people returning to faith, embracing traditional values, and rejecting the chaos of progressive extremism. Kirk's organization name, "Turning Point USA," has taken on prophetic significance as his death may indeed mark America's turning point back toward its foundational principles.
As we process this tragedy, we're witnessing either the desperate escalation of a dying ideology or the beginning of its end. The Republican party appears poised to become the home for normal Americans seeking stability and traditional values. Meanwhile, Charlie's legacy grows stronger each day – not just through his words, but through the movement his death has ignited. By attempting to silence one voice, his enemies created thousands more.
Join us every Monday as we continue exploring the principles that make America exceptional and the cultural forces shaping our future. The conversation Charlie started continues through all of us who value truth, respect, and the freedom to speak without fear.
Welcome back, everybody. This is Eric and Matt, and this is Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit. Your beacon of freedom and the American way of life. Tune in every Monday for a new episode as we dive into the world of liberty and what makes our country great. Alright, everybody, welcome back. This is Matt and Eric here with uh Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit, your home for everything free in a world of absolute craziness and debauchery and downright evil. I mean, as we see, you know, here recently, there's been a lot of terrible things happening in our world. And today's show, we hope everyone finds us well and happy and healthy and loving their families and uh having a good day here today. And uh, what we'd like to talk about in today's show is uh we want to dive into what happened to Charlie Kirk and some of the ripple effects that it's had. And um, you know, I uh with without the danger, let's just say, of uh the risk of me uh diving into sensationalism or trying to, you know, I don't know, garner attention over something tragic that happened. That's something we're never really gonna do on the show. You know, Matt, I always notice like if something happens, some event, we always try to kind of sit back and let things marinate for a while and really see what people were saying and really garner a solid opinion of the facts a hand before we go diving into a subject like this.
SPEAKER_00:No, you have to. We are uh we are not a breaking news segment. Um if that's what you guys are looking for. There are tons uh of those creators out there, um, many of which are in the two-way world that cover news. Right that ain't us. We like to, like you said, marinate, let all the facts come out, and then you can then create an opinion. You can't have an opinion if you don't know all the facts.
SPEAKER_01:The last thing that you want to do is be a vampire of somebody's joy or vampire of the world's terror. Yep. You know, and I and look, I know we all have to get news. I get that, but I I've never really been big on news, the idea of news, because news is new, that's why they call it news. So it's I mean, from my perspective, I you know, I don't like watching the news, I don't like knowing all the crazy things that are going on in the world at any one given time. Sometimes in the world, things happen that are so important and historic or terrible or tragic that one cannot help but know because it's everywhere. Yeah, and that's what happened with Charlie Kirk. You know, I remember the the day that I found out about the shooting, I was taken aback. I, you know, we'll get into it a little more, of course. Um, but I was very taken aback when I found out. I was surprised. I knew who Charlie Kirk was at a bird's eye level. I knew about Turning Point USA, I knew about some of the stuff that they've done. You know, I knew he was going around to the campuses and and talking to people and trying to have a good, honest dialogue and doing it quite well, I might say. Um, so my initial reaction was, you know, sadness. So I thought, well, well, damn, what did that poor guy do to deserve that? He's just, you know, going around, you know, respecting people's opinions and listening to people. Now, of course, many times proving them wrong, uh, which, you know, no, nobody likes to be proven wrong. And let's face it, there are people on certain political persuasions that that their opinions are relatively easily disproven. And some people don't like the idea of their reality as they see it being challenged and or disproven in such a concrete and easy way. That is not very hard to disprove some of the talking points that the left puts out there. I mean, let's just be honest, because a lot of their opinions are really just based on rhetoric and lies and propaganda, and they rely heavily on indoctrination. You know, their talking points rely heavily on their base being uneducated or perhaps being indoctrinated. I mean, indoctrination is just a type of education that is um what they want you to believe, and maybe not the the fact. When you indoctrinate somebody, you you say, well, don't think about that's it's like saying, you know, this orange is not the color orange. It's blue, you know, like like George Orwell. Right. Well, no, it's orange. Wham! It's blue. And then no matter what, as the state tells you it's blue, it's blue. And the and that's gonna be your definition of blue is gonna be what they tell you it is. And I think that there are a political faction within our country who are hardcore about the party, and whatever the party says, or whatever they dictate, or whatever their opinions line up with, they share that opinion, whether they personally want to believe it or not.
SPEAKER_00:Well, a good example of that is Antifa. You know, they um they say it stands for anti-fascist when in fact all of their behavior and actions are in fact fascist. So it's like they're trying to pull the UNO reverse in an attempt to make you think that that's not what it is. But anybody that's ex seen that experience, they're like, that's fascist.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it's crazy because projection is the ultimate tool that many of these types of political movements use. They are always going to try to place the blame on the other party for what they are actually engaging in. It's projection, it's a classic communist Marxist type tactic that it's right out of the Communist Manifesto. I mean, if you if you read the way that their disinformation campaigns are meant to be ran, um, you know, they they totally love to project. And that's the ultimate projection. And we're going to talk about it a little bit more. Um, before we get started, I would like to um thank our friends at MyPatriot Supply here today. September is National Preparedness Month. So it's the perfect time to ask yourself some questions like how much food do you have on hand for emergencies? How would you get clean water if the tap went dry tomorrow? What would you do if a storm knocked out the power for a week? If you're anything like me, there's some room for improvement on this stuff. Luckily, our friends at My Patriot Supply are making disaster preparedness easier and more affordable than ever by giving you over$1,500 worth of emergency food and preparedness gear for free. They just launched their Preparedness Month mega kit, and it includes a full year of emergency food, a water filtration system that can purify almost any water source, and a solar backup generator, plus a lot more. And here's the best part if you go to mypatriotsupply.com slash LLP, you can get 90 Preparedness Essentials totaling over$1,500 absolutely free. Head to mypatriotsupply.com slash LLP for full details. That's mypatriotsupply.com slash LLP. That's Lima Lima Papa for more information. Big thanks to my Patriot Supply. They've um been a long-term supporter of the channel here and of uh Life Liberty and the Pursuit. You know, this podcast has been a labor of love for Matt and I, and we appreciate it uh when our our corporate sponsors throw a few war bucks in our direction to help keep the lights on. Yes. Okay, so thank you guys very much. And uh I hope you guys get yourself some emergency food if that's something you need. Check out MPS, they're they're great people.
SPEAKER_00:Go check out that deal.
SPEAKER_01:And a great base company, by the way. They they they are very well aligned in our values, absolutely. And I appreciate that as well.
SPEAKER_00:But guys, go check that out. I think it's good till the 30th of this month. Right. Um, it's uh a huge savings.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. So back to Charlie Kirk. I mean, I remember when I found out again, like I said, I was I was very upset and very taken aback, and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And then, of course, as many things when a tragedy occurs, of course, the rumor meal starts to come around and everybody starts to talk about, you know, who was the shooter, you know, what was it a professional hitman? Was it this, was it that? And everyone's gonna have their theories and everything like that. And of course, as you know, in the time following the shooting, you know, they arrested this older guy or detained this older guy thinking that he was the shooter, but it turns out he was just a decoy to try and help the real shooter get away. That ends up being pretty much, I think, what they've determined at this point. You know, this guy sympathized with the shooter immediately and decided to try to help him get away. I don't and from what I can tell, I don't think this old man knew the shooter at all. He just was a crazy leftist who saw an opportunity to, I don't know, obstruct justice, I guess.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, there was a few of them. There was also the other guy with the beard that, you know, had some weird story about, you know, like, oh, he was trying to distract like any type of like additional shots or anything. I'm like, uh, whatever. It's it's a weird, yeah, it's very strange. It's it there is a lot of food there for a conspiracy theorist to munch on. I'll tell you that. There is not, it isn't a very like cut and dry thing, it's a lot of little tiny things there. And again, I I look at it as very cut and dry. Um, but there's I can see how a conspiracy theorist or a group of people could look at that and and try to piece something together.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah. And and believe me, there's been multiple theories inbound about all of this stuff. And and the last thing I would ever want to do in this podcast is disparage the memory of Charlie. You know, I did not know Charlie Kirk very well. I know a lot of people in the conservative community knew him well, met him, worked with him, um, you know, maybe professionally worked with him in terms of, you know, actually doing stuff with him and collabs and things, or at least have gone to some of his uh, you know, talks that he does at the campuses and stuff. So there he was a very loved and respected person in the conservative community and and uh and very hated in other communities. And and the problem is, you know, yeah, you're you're gonna make enemies doing that sort of stuff. And um, there was a, you know, of course, a huge outpour of support for Charlie. And uh I did not know him very well, but but I quickly began to, and and I believe my view lines up pretty well with a lot of other people in America, okay? Someone who maybe at a bird's eye level was familiar with Charlie Kirk and his work, but had not really looked into it super heavy. You know, he was really trying to appeal more to the younger crowd, appealing more to the college audiences. And, you know, I knew what he was doing, but I didn't follow it, follow it much because I guess I just figured, well, he's really talking to the young kids. In my mind, I thought, okay, Charlie Kirk is the guy who goes around to the colleges and gets the young people to think differently. Like maybe you can change your mind about something you have a really strong opinion on if Charlie just breaks down the facts for you. Now, yeah, of course, we love watching all the meltdowns of people who get really upset talking to Charlie. But when you get upset, when you have that response, something worked, something clicked. They may not want to admit that, oh wow, maybe my thinking was wrong on this, maybe my facts were wrong on this particular situation, but you can tell that there's some gears turning. And I guarantee a lot of those people went on to probably change their minds. And when you have somebody, a figure like Charlie, who is so effective at getting the youth to see the truth for what it is and to really engage in the facts and get rid of all the rhetoric and the bull crap, governments they fear that kind of stuff. Movements fear that kind of stuff. When you're talking to a group of people who rely on misinformation and lies and indoctrination, and they rely on controlling information, controlling the flow of the media and controlling the flow of information on social media and controlling what pundits go out and say in public. Okay, someone's gonna go and give a presentation at a college campus. Oh, well, we have to make sure that person's a leftist so that our ideology, so of course, you see all these leftists get paid tons of money to go to these colleges and give. I mean, what Barack Obama gets, oh my gosh, what, like a$650,000 speaking fee just to show up at a school and give some some thoughts. Yep. Now that might be a bad example because he's a former president, but there are situations where leftist pundits who are, let's just say, similarly as famous as Charlie, of course, they're gonna get paid a lot of money to go to these places and really do what's essentially damage control to try to undo what people like Charlie do on these campuses.
SPEAKER_00:And and the difference is Charlie does it for free. He'll sit down in the courtyard of a public campus because it's it's not private property at that point, which is which is and another person that did that was uh Crowder. So they would they're good. I will say the different major difference, Crowder was very good, and I don't know if he still does it. I know he was really big on it before the Change My Mind series. Um he was a lot less tactful, so Charlie had a way of doing it and not making not coming off so smug. He would actually try to educate you if you wanted to have a conversation, and that's really what got me turned on to the the whole, you know, watching that whole series and his his podcast and his content was that he was very respectful. You know, I would be uh at the shop working and we would just have it on and listening and watching while we work, because you know, it's very monotonous work making producing garments, so we just have it running in the background. Um, and the first thing that everybody at the shop noticed, including myself, was that he was very respectful about how he conducted himself. Um, he will he never tried to shut you down in a negative manner. He would always be very polite. Uh, and that honest, quite honestly, is probably what angered a lot of people because they weren't he wasn't reciprocating that that level of anger back towards them. They would be very upset uh at what his stance was, and he would just talk to you like a normal human being, like you should, um, and not let emotions get in get involved.
SPEAKER_01:Nothing makes a leftist more angry than when they try to draw you into some emotional, unhinged argument, and you do not allow them to have that power over you. Yep. If if you keep your cool, you're calm, you're collected, you smile, you go, Well, I don't agree with that, but hey, here's what I think. Well, no one cares what you think. So see, really the truth is they don't want to, they don't give a rat's ass what you have to say. They don't want to hear what you have to say. They're right in their mind, and nothing's gonna change their mind, and they have a and and and if anything, they hate you even more because your opinion is right. They know, and and what's what's so jacked up about it is some of them, they know the truth. Like they're not, I don't think a lot of them are ignorant. I think that they're just emboldened. I think that they're I think that they're so I don't know, they've drank the Kool-Aid so much with their political views that they they simply don't care that they're wrong. They know they're wrong and they don't care. Now, there's gonna be some out there that, you know, yeah, they've drank the Kool-Aid at such a level that they really do believe what they're saying is correct. But I think the rank and file ones, the ones that are, let's just say, the ones that are attached to some of these um PACs, you know, some of these are getting PAC money and they're getting political contributions, they're getting slush money from various um political associations that they have, whatever, they're well connected. They're actually connected to the party. You know, they're getting talking points from the party, they're getting bullet points from the party, they're getting marching orders from the party. Essentially, they're foot soldiers of the party directly, and they receive funds. You know, these are the kind of people that they don't work, they don't have regular jobs, they're being supported, essentially. Yeah. Of course, they pay their mortgage or their rent, they pay their bills, they have requirements of life, just like any of us would, but they're basically being supported by this, you know, dark overseer that basically makes it their full-time job to just be a thorn in the side. So those rank and file leftists, they know it's wrong. They know it's wrong, they just don't care because, like, oh, well, I'm getting$150,000 a year, slush money. Yep, I'm gonna go to every rally, I'm gonna, you know, go online because all they have to do all day is go online and argue with people and post, you know, a bunch of crap on social media. And of course, you know, these packs go in and probably buy them followers on social media. So they they have the oh man, like so-and-so's a leftist pundit. He's got this huge following. Right. And you notice how easy those guys get ratioed. Right? You look at a leftist influencer on on X, and those those suckers get ratioed all the time. Because the people that know, they come in and they go, you're full of crap, and here's why. And then you start seeing community notes show up. And they're just consistently wrong, and they don't care that they're wrong, but they're being paid to be wrong. They know they're wrong, they don't care. So I think there's a lot of people like that. They're receiving money from the Democrats, they're receiving money from those dark, slush operations, George Soros or whoever. I mean, it could be Bloomberg, who who knows. It's some leftist billionaire who's paying these people to do all this stuff, you know, without the danger of sounding like some sort of you know, theorist or whatever. You know, I hate to use the word conspiracy theorists because the thing is, is what happens is people wind up being proven right a lot. And and part of the issue becomes that this term has become such a negative term that it makes people afraid to speculate. So without saying, all right, some conspiracy theory or whatever, let's just say speculation, there is some speculation among certain circles that possibly this situation with poor Charlie is a result of some shenanigans with some dark slush money somewhere, that maybe someone was being paid off to do this, or maybe um they were working under these people somehow or whatever. I mean, there there's talk of Tim Walls. Okay, have you heard, you know, the guy that ran for president? Vice president, right? Vice president, VP, he was yeah, Call C P. Yep. And there was talk of Tim Walls, you know, really calling people to violence and calling people to act and stuff like this. And there, and there's some talk, and maybe people can correct me if I'm wrong, but unless I'm reading into it wrong, that the shooter wound up being somehow connected to Tim Walls somewhere, either throughout through association or maybe it was his father, or it was some there was some connection somewhere that I think they found in some of his social media posts that he it wouldn't surprise me.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, he right he was a leftist, yeah. And he had a transgendered boyfriend. They called him a roommate, yeah. See, that's so weird, right? Like, if I uh I would like to introduce my roommate and my wife. Like, no, she is my wife, she is not my roommate.
SPEAKER_01:This is my I think it's strange that they're saying roommate. Yeah, I think they're trying to be politically correct. I I don't think the person was a roommate.
SPEAKER_00:That was that that was their uh significant other at the time, you know.
SPEAKER_01:It's like I don't believe for one second that it's a roommate.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean I mean it's it's just it is it is I saw that and I I heard it and I was like, that's so weird.
SPEAKER_01:Why don't I just say boyfriend or girlfriend versus roommate and girlfriend or the possibility, Matt, could be that maybe it is just a roommate. I mean, it I think that our scrutiny of this comes from the fact that we've been lied to for so freaking long by the media and we've been lied to for so long, even by our own government, that I wonder if there's some essential wound-licking that is purposely being done so that people don't lash out against, I don't know, the transgender community or trans, you know, they're so worried about the downhill effects of certain things happening. It's almost like they'll self-soothe or they'll try to they'll try to divert people's attention away from certain facts about the the issues at hand so that they don't get more angry.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's the opposite. I think everybody's had enough. I think there's so much fatigue that nobody everybody doesn't care. Yeah, nobody cares, man. As a matter of fact, they're actually more quick to point out anything now, and this is my personal experience. They're more quick to point out anything than before. Now, now you're just like, wow, okay, that nobody would have said anything, you know, six months ago. That's very true. And now they're like it's like that that beam where the guy's snapping and pointing, he's like, hey, Matt, Matt, the gloves are off.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think if anything, what this situation, and and you know, I I I feel very bad for for obviously for Charlie and for his family and and all of this, it just sucks. I mean, it happened right in front of his wife and kids. Yeah, that's terrible, man. How terrible and whatever punishment that they come up with for this guy, and and it seems to be that the the prevailing opinion is is that I mean, they're like 99.999% sure he's the guy that did it. You know, they found social media stuff, they found some text threads between him and his roommate where he admitted.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they read the entire text thread. I was watching uh it was uh the actual uh court transcript. Yeah, and they were reading it like back and forth like this person.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, dang, they're I mean, you pretty much admitted to it right there.
SPEAKER_00:He's like, Oh, I just go back and get it.
SPEAKER_01:They found the gun that you mentioned in the text, right? You mentioned it what I think he had said something like it was I gotta go get my grandpa's rifle, like his old Mauser, whatever it was, which I'm sure I don't know if the grandpa's still alive or not, but I would imagine he's probably gonna be in some trouble. Yep. You know, they're probably gonna come after him and be like, hey, how did your grandson get a hold of your freaking hunting rifle? I mean, okay, so all of those issues with standing, um, they pretty much know that he's the guy. He's more or less admitted. He turned himself in, and I think he wound up telling his dad, and his dad convinced him to turn himself in. And his dad was a police officer, right? And that was or some sheriff's deputy.
SPEAKER_00:And his dad seems like a pretty honorable dude, man. Um isn't that sad? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like to want to raise your kid to be normal, and like it looked like, from what I could tell, and and again, I'm not trying to show freaking sympathy for the shooter, y'all. Please do not take it that way. He's a scumbag, and he deserves to be treated like a scumbag. I'm talking about the dad here, y'all. Okay, no dad wants to see their kid go down a path of darkness like that. And it looked like, from the outside looking in, I don't know these people. I haven't exactly done a lot of studying on the subject of these people, but from just a bird's eye glance, it would seem that he was raised in a somewhat normal, uh, conservative type of environment, but somehow became sort of tarnished along the way somewhere by outside forces. And again, that is what this all comes back to full circle is the kind of things that produce these sort of people, is the leftist movement. And they're trying to pin this guy as oh, he was a conservative MAGA type. Of course, the the media is lying about it, trying to say he was a because his parents were a little bit more conservative. That, oh well, he grew up in a conservative family, so he's a conservative. No, he had many leftist leaning type of ideas, and he was definitely not on on the on Team Trump at all.
SPEAKER_00:So it's very interesting because I know a lot of families, um, and I don't know why that happens. I don't know if it's because the children have a natural um inkling to be the opposite of their parents, like they don't want to be like their parents, but I know a lot of families where the the mother and father are Republicans or conservatives, I should say, and the kids are not. And I and I wonder, I'm like, well, why does that happen? And you know, I I just really, really believe it's because you know, a chill a child has a natural uh affinity to not want to be like their parents when they're younger, like and and this goes like if you have kids and you're watching you, you absolutely know what I'm talking about. If you tell them, hey, when you learn to walk, start with your left leg. Which leg are they gonna start with? They're right. If you say, hey, do it this way, they're gonna do it the other way because they want to show that it can be done the way that you tell them not to do it. And now when I look at these families and I meet their their children, they're you know, I wouldn't say they're full blown left, but they definitely lean more left and they're a little bit more liberal, I should say. Maybe not left, they're a little bit more liberal than their parents because maybe they don't want to be like their parents, and that's what I would maybe that's what happened. Yeah. Um, but I do see that quite a bit.
SPEAKER_01:I think you're right. I I think that that a lot of kids tend to rebel against their their parents and rebel against what their parents want them to do, you know. Uh you know, for instance, your your your granddad was a your granddad was a cop, your dad was a cop, your dad convinces you to try to be a cop. And that's the family business. That's what we've always done. We've always been cops, we're good at it, blah, blah, blah. It's in your blood, you know, they try to convince you. Well, I don't want to be a cop, I want to be a criminal. Or maybe that's a bad that's a bad look, but but hey, I don't want to be a cop. I want to be uh a firefighter, I want to be a whatever, I want to be an engineer.
SPEAKER_00:I want to be a dancer. You don't want to be an engineer, want to go to dance school, you don't want to be an engineer, you know, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER_01:And so sometimes parents will will try to hold a kid down in their aspirations with a worry that they're gonna fail, but not give them the chance to even fail. But if you don't give them a chance to fail, you never give them a chance to succeed. How are they gonna know if they would have been an engineer or an astronaut or whatever, a race car driver or pro musician or whatever it was I want to do, if you don't give them a chance to fail, it doesn't take long to try and fail.
SPEAKER_00:Right? It's easier to fail than to succeed.
SPEAKER_01:It's way easier to fail than to succeed. So if the kid wants to be a tattoo artist for a living, by God, buy him an apprenticeship and let him tattoo for a little while. He's gonna find out quick if it's for him or not, right? Like, let them make that mistake because that's part of growing. As part of a young man's development is to go, wow, I tried doing this for a while and I hated it and I thought I was gonna love it. And that shows how little I really know. So I I do sympathize a bit with the parents because I I don't think that I don't think there's some parent out there that thinks, oh my God, I I can't wait for my for my my young child to be a school shooter one day. No, no one wants that. I don't care if if someone is an extreme leftist. Now, I don't know, the way some of these people reacted to Charlie Kirk's death, you know, it would seem that like they're raising their kids to act that way. They were completely in joy and celebrating over this poor guy. And I think that really was a wake-up call for a lot of people. You know, when they saw the way the left was acting completely vile in every way about it, celebrating his death, making fun of him, making mean, mean it was it was atrocious, dude.
SPEAKER_00:I sickening. Oh my god, dude. Like I saw some of the stuff and I was like, there is no way that is real because the amount the the lack of empathy that you have to have to do that is insane. And the fact that it came from like it wasn't like kids, if it was like little kids, I would understand because they lack the frontal cortex to be able to understand what the difference is between right and wrong. But these are college kids, and when I say college, like 21, 22, I mean they ought to know by them. Like, you know the difference between right and wrong, you have common sense, you know that berating the poor guy is not right, and you know, saying like, oh, he got what he deserved. Like, that's that's you you don't even say that about people that were like murdered for robbing somebody, you don't say that, but you would say that about uh a guy that would just went on campus and was educating other young Americans and often non-Americans, right?
SPEAKER_01:Um and educating them in a way that you just happen to greatly disagree with. I mean, what this is, these types of things, Matt, they that when a movement is in its death throes, this is how people act. So, in my opinion, there's one of two ways that this could really go, I think, socially for us as a country moving forward. Either we have gotten the giant wake-up call and the slap in the face. I mean, you notice that uh here recently, Charlie Kirk, they did a rally for him and it was sold out, it's packed full of people, churches are full, people are going to church. That's a big thing that not maybe not enough people were talking about, you know. Excuse me, Charlie was a very much, you know, very Christian guy. And, you know, a lot of people have have started to think man, you know, this guy gave his life for what he believed in, and he knew the risk and he knew the danger, and he did it anyway, and he loved God. And it makes a man self-reflect and go, like, man, you know, I need to go to church. Like, maybe we need to take the family to church. Like, it's made people want to be better Christians. And you notice the churches have been fuller, these rallies are getting sold out. People are turning back to God, turning back to religion. Now, no matter what anybody thinks about that, whether it's good or bad, that's up to everyone to decide. I mean, I know there's some of the people watching my channel, maybe they're not religious. That's okay. Or maybe you uh you support a different religion, that's all right. But for the purposes of, let's just say what I'm about to break down in terms of the way this could go in either direction. Anytime you see a tragedy bring people together religiously, um, from a standpoint of society, and that politically and religiously they intertwine and strengthen. And when you look at historically the way that these leftist type of uh situations tend to go when they start to get violent, that can mean one of two things, right? It can mean that either the left is getting bold and they're going to step up the violence and try to assert some sort of uh dominance over the entire political spectrum or or for lack of better words, some sort of color revolution, right? That's either that happens or it's a sign that these movements are in their death throes. And I think that's more correct. I think the left realizes they've lost the war on ideas. Uh they went too far too quick, right? They they went way too far down the crazy rabbit hole of this transgender stuff and and and and sexuality and uh you know racial relations and uh political violence and all these calls to action. And then, you know, they really they played their hand too hard too quick, and within too small of an amount of time, they tried to enact too much change too quickly, and I think they know it. And even some of the rank and file Democrats have been kind of like, all right, some of the older ones are like, all right, you know, like we see what y'all are doing, but maybe it wasn't quite in their plans to be driving that fast past the speed limit. These newer breed of Democrats, like uh Ilian Omar and uh AOC and you know, the squad, right? These younger Democrats, these politicians, you know, they have a much more radical approach to leftism than some of their older counterparts. And as these younger left or these older leftists begin to leave office or pass away or whatever the case may be, they're gonna be replaced with more people like her. So either the movement is gonna get more traction and get more crazier and get more deadly as more people like AOC and Ilya Omar be get in office under Democrat leader and become part of Democrat leadership, and therefore the arbiters of policy and slush money and no telling what else they do to try to move the needle. Or two, they know that the movement is in its death throes, and what you're gonna see is maybe more younger uh candidates who maybe they were becoming, you know, they were thinking running for Democrat for office. Either they're gonna run as a Democrat and have more libertarian middle of the road policies as a Democrat, or they're just gonna run as a Republican, and the Republican is gonna become the Republicans will become the new party of normal people. Like, you know how the libertarians always kind of tout themselves as being just more normal.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:But the truth is, yeah, there are some kind of extreme libertarians too. They have some kind of crazy, extreme ideas that maybe some of us may not always agree with. So just like the left has this series of people who are crazy in their views, so do the libertarians. And the Republicans have maybe some people from each pool. I think that's what we're gonna see. We're gonna see the Republican Party become more of a uniparty that tries to kind of get down with the fringe outer levels of all the different views that maybe they previously disagreed with. That's why you're seeing some Republicans support gun control, because traditionally they might not have ever done it. So you do see some Republican support for gun control. You see our even our own illustrious Republican president called for certain things like, you know, um bump stock ban or things like that, you know, whatever. So we're not immune from things happening to us that we don't agree with just because a Republican is in office. So that's where I see it going. I think that leftism, I think extreme leftism, extreme far-left ideology, for better lack of terms, let's just say the Democrat Party. I think the Democrat Party knows their days are numbered, that they're in their death throes. I don't think they're ever going to go away, but I think their membership is gonna scatter and fall in with Republicans and maybe libertarians, and or they'll just run as independents. I mean, look what RFK did. He tried to run as independent. Of course, that he wasn't successful in that, but we knew fiscally and just let's say morally, he was really closer to being Democrat than a Republican. But now we have a Republican administration, and look, they brought him in.
SPEAKER_00:So well, as an independent, you have the ability to be more of a chameleon. You can you can you know change your opinion and no one's gonna blame you because you're an independent. You didn't you didn't choose size.
SPEAKER_01:You're like But it's hard to get elected as an independent.
SPEAKER_00:It's hard to get elect into an elected position, but it's very easy to blend in to an environment. So once you're it once you're in, now you have now it's almost like an unfair advantage because you can you can kind of sway back and forth. No one's really holding you accountable.
SPEAKER_01:Well, look at look at Massey. You know, everybody brought Massey in, and and there's a lot of Republican Democrats hate Massey, and there's a lot of Republicans that hate Massey. Even our own president is not a big fan of Thomas Massey. And you know, Massey's like that. Like, yes, he's a Republican, but he's a rhino.
SPEAKER_00:But he's about he's a physical conservative.
SPEAKER_01:He's a fiscal conservative.
SPEAKER_00:If you're if you're gonna if you had to put a label on because he's he I know he he considers himself more of a libertarian, yes, but for the sake of being in office, he has to choose one, right? Because he didn't run as a libertarian. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So I think Massey is is at some times a fiscal Republican, but I would say he's a fiscal constitutionalist.
SPEAKER_00:This is a better thing.
SPEAKER_01:And he is a he is a he is a moral and societal libertarian.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I would agree.
SPEAKER_01:But I think that he is a conservative only in the in the in the standpoint that he wants to conserve what our founding fathers built, not that's what it is, though.
SPEAKER_00:Like you're you're you're to conserve ultimately where we came from. Yeah, like you're you're conserving and upholding the constitution of the United States of America, that's what the term is. Um now I just wanted to say about Charlie Kirk. Sure. Um he was the type of man, you have to be a certain type of man that both sides give you the utmost respect. So when when he was assassinated, when he was murdered, usually if you were he's a conservative, like he's definitely not a a liberal, if you watched any of his content, he's probably one of the few, if not the only person that garnered respect from both sides. And that uh I noticed this when uh my brother messaged me and he was like, Man, who is this Charlie Kirk guy? And I was like, and you know, for all intents and my purposes, my brother is a lit left-leaning guy. Like, that's what he and you know, it is what it is. Um sorry, dude. Um and he messages me and I'm like, oh man, Charlie Kirk is, you know, he's a he's a highly educated, self-taught guy that goes around to you know college campuses and he educates uh college students and he does it in a respectful manner. He doesn't he doesn't shut them down, he allows them to finish his sentences um and finish their point, and then he he responds, you know, very poignantly and and you know politely. Um and also, and that's why both sides liked him. And then he sent back, he was like, That's what I'm seeing. I'm and that's the only reason I heard heard of him because you know he obviously his algorithm pushes a lot of you know left-leaning news. And what he was telling me is that they all were like, you know, very sad and like they all had a lot of respect for him on that side. And I was like, that's interesting. You know, that's what I would imagine.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's it's good to see when there's there's still some, you know, humanity.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like I know that Jimmy Kimmel, you know, everyone I know we had mentioned that we were gonna probably briefly talk about Jimmy Kimmel. I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about this guy, but he gave some pretty derogatory, nasty comments. All right. And ABC pulled him from the air. Like they they pulled his show. Now, I'm not gonna get into all of the uh rigmaran of why the show was pulled because they were saying that, yeah, like the numbers are way down, they were losing a bunch of money anyway, and that was just sort of the catalyst. Point is, is not doesn't really matter what he said overall. I guess what really matters is that society will always self-regulate. And, you know, you look at Candace Owens got fired for her views, you look at all the conservatives who got censored and fired and and shamed for their views, in some cases, deplatformed completely. Yeah. And the left celebrated that these people lost their voice, lost their community, lost their platform. You know, the the left can only win in the war of ideas if you are simply removed from the stage. And that is the scary part about censorship. And, you know, here we are when we see a leftist who gets fired, uh, not only because, I mean, yeah, their views are my they go.
SPEAKER_00:From a private company, in my view.
SPEAKER_01:A private company can fire someone if they want to.
SPEAKER_00:That's their own.
SPEAKER_01:You're an employee, and if you say something they don't like, they can fire you. That's right. Okay. So I think it's funny when something like that happens to them, they want to scream, oh, it's censorship. But see, when dozens of conservative voices get deplatformed and demonetized and thrown against the wall, all of a sudden that's okay because it's people we disagree with. So it does show the clear hypocrisy of the left. And like, if it's one thing you can consistently expect from them, is that they will always be hypocrites. They will always deal in the deep, they will be knee deep in the hypocrisy, no matter what. And and it's just important to mention that.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, bro, how many times did Crowder get like de-platformed? And I stopped counting, like it was just crazy, man.
SPEAKER_01:And and and look, I'm not gonna lie, okay. I probably shouldn't even talk about this, but I'm gonna.
SPEAKER_00:Here we go, here we go.
SPEAKER_01:Well, look, okay. I tried my best to talk to YouTube and to heal the rift between YouTube as a platform and Crowder. And you know, I I know Crowder, he's a he's a good guy. Steven Crowder is a fantastic guy, and his dad, Darren, such a great guy. I love hanging out with him. They're they're fun to hang out with, they're funny, you know, he's a good dude. You know, I think very highly Steven Crowder. I've been on his show before, he's a great guy, you know. And and I remember one time reaching out to Crowder, I'm like, man, like, why don't you try to bury the hatchet with YouTube? Like, get back on YouTube, you know, get get your monetization back and and just bury the hatchet, you know. Well, maybe blah, blah, blah. You know, you seem to have some some opinions, which I'm not going to discuss the exact opinions, but I reach out to my SP and I'm like, is there anything we can do for Crowder? And and they were kind of like, well, you know, so I think that there's been some ongoing talks between the platform and him, but I just I just like to see people get along. I mean, I understand if people have to part ways, but you know, I I do care about the health of the platform, you know, I do care about the health of YouTube, and I I want to see the platform do well. You know, I'm one of the OGs on this platform, and I've worked very hard to get where I am today, and I and I've I've done a lot to get where I am. And I don't want to see YouTube uh have an issue, you know. I want to see the platform do well. I don't want to see them, you know, go the way of the dodo just because they happen to take on a few bad opinions or hire a few bad apples that might have put them in the direction that they shouldn't have gone in. That's my only concern, you know. But but anyway, it's funny that you mentioned that because yes, he is on Rumble. Yep. And uh Rumble's not a bad platform. I met the CEO of Rumble, I think, once down in Miami. I was at uh when we met Margo, yeah, I met him. Nice guy, um, and everything. And that was that was when Rumble was was just starting to kind of say that was a couple years ago. Yeah, it's real early for Rumble then. And uh, but yeah, I mean it. I'm glad to see that some conservative voices are getting a platform on like Rumble. I know Dan Dan Bongino's on Rumble, but it's again getting back to Kirk, is that when your platform is that you exist, that's a danger to the left. And they and I think that you know, not to get on the tinfoil hat territory, they realize that Charlie was considering presidential bid. They knew that he was considering office, political office. You know, I think they knew that he was a very, very influential person and was only going to get more influential. They saw that coming. And I don't want to sit here and place blame and say that, oh, someone tried to, you know, assassinate him on purpose, like for some political reason. You know, I think right now we're being led to believe it's just some lone wolf weirdo who just had a psychotic episode and decided that he had an opportunity and just wanted to commit cold-blooded murder. That's what we're gonna be told, right? We're gonna be told that this guy just was unhinged, whatever, and that's all we're ever gonna know. And and again, me being skeptical and me being very scrutinizing of the official narrative, which I always am, I always heavily scrutinize the official narrative. There's no telling who was really involved in this thing, and again, this is a playground for conspiracy when you have a big, wide open area, there's many different places people could be. You never know.
SPEAKER_00:And I mean, let's look at it realistically, hundred we're rounding to 140 yards, all right, because it was, I think it's like 137 or something. But we're gonna round to 140, right? Not a long shot. People you hear people kick around, they don't, oh, like Professor, like, not really 140 yards, especially with a 306, it's a laser beam, right? Yeah, like it's the bullet is gonna go with that with that distance, it's gonna go right where you look, it's gonna go right exactly where you look at, especially with 150 grain bullet, it's not gonna really drop much.
SPEAKER_01:And you know, so I hunt with 30 aught six quite a bit. I know you do too.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes, man.
SPEAKER_01:And at one point I bought a bunch of those 200 grain 220. 220s. 220s. Who makes that load? Is that a I think it's a federal load. They're federal 220 grain soft points. I like heavy bullets in Ot 6. I'm not getting off on this subject matter. I don't want to make this about the shot or the shooter, or I don't really want to make it about that. But let's just say to back up Matt's point, 30 alt sixes can shoot extremely flat depending on the load. And a heavy bullet, oh yeah, they shoot real flat. Now it gets to a point they fall out of the sky pretty quick. I mean, that that 220 is a ballistic marshmallow. And yeah, it's like a 200-yard gun.
SPEAKER_00:I was gonna say 200 yards.
SPEAKER_01:So I like the heavier bullets because um they make cleaner wounds and uh they don't destroy as much meat and they get full penetration, good penetration. So, anyway, with without all of those things withstanding, I think people want to focus on the shot, the difficulty of the shot, and judging how that would make someone a professional shooter or not. Let's not talk about that. Let's talk about escape and evasion. Now, what would require professional escape and evasion and getting away? Anyone can climb on a roof and shoot a rifle. You gotta get there undetected. You gotta sneak into place undetected. Yeah, you gotta make the shot, you gotta get away and escape, which he did. All right, now did he just have a really good plan? Did he have help? Was it just dumb luck? I mean, look, you have to accept the fact that there might be some done dumb luck involved. Sometimes people just get freaking lucky. He jumped off the roof and I think sprained his ankle or something.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, they had video of him like running across the the grass and the text message thread that he was writing, he was like, Oh, I I put the rifle, I can see the rifle, they're walking around looking for me. Like he's like in real time, like texting with his roommate. Uh, and I use air quotes there for the listeners, not the viewers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And um, you know, it's just like I like you said, it's just dumb luck, man. Like, how are you gonna be able to just like wait in the grass?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And they're like kind of walking around, and you're like, holy crap, these guys are not looking like it's wild, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, so when something like that happens, I mean, obviously, if you if you watch videos of of what happened, yeah, it was utter chaos. People start running, screaming. It's a chaos. So, in that chaos, it might have provided him enough time to to try to find a way to get away. And he did get away, and then he didn't get caught there. And then he took the dairy queen.
SPEAKER_00:He got away. Dude went to Dairy Queen and got himself some ice cream, man. They had like they had like video stills of him ordering ice cream at Dairy Queen, like 15 minutes after he after he did it. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01:What the heck?
SPEAKER_00:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it is crazy, and to think that he got away. But, you know, I think these people out here that are saying that he is some Mossad hitman or CIA hitman or something far-reaching like that, I think that's a reach. I I think at this point that he's definitely a normy. I I don't really there's nothing about this kid that makes me think that he's some sort of hired gunner or whatever. I mean, I can see why people would make that distinction. Because, yes, did Charlie Kirk have a lot of enemies? He did, he had a lot of political enemies. Um look, he was beginning to question a lot of things. And he's a he was a he was a guy who had, you know, a lot of influence. And from what I mean, if you listen to Candace Owens, some of the things that she's saying, I mean, that last video was Candace always has some kind of wild opinions, but they always have this hint, this sort of flavor to them that's like, okay, well, you know, she's got some receipts here, she's got some videos, she's got all right, here's some statements from the ex or the wife, uh, some statements from Charlie. Here's you know what he said in a podcast a week ago. Here's what he said to Tucker Carlson. It's like, so when you start connecting the dots, you kind of start going, well, well, yeah, Charlie had some enemies in high places. And uh, and that's scary, you know, to think that all right, are they capable of doing these sorts of things? Well, of course they are. Uh, was it them? Did they do it? We may never know. Just like with JFK, you know, there's many theories about who really shot JFK and how how where the direction of the shot and who it was, and all this theories about what really happened to him. But at the end of the day, he's dead.
SPEAKER_00:Didn't JFK get hit in the throat also?
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, no, I think he got hit right in the cranium. Oh man, it was bad, you know, and um you know, it was a hard shot, it was a moving shot, you know. But anyway, without getting into that, the point is that anytime someone's assassinated like that, I mean, even MLK, MLK was shot with a 30 out six. But I think he got hit in the chest. Same thing. All these theories about, oh, it wasn't this guy, they got the wrong guy, and this and that, and this and that. And was it James Earl Ray on his deathbed? Told Martin Luther King's mom, I think, oh, it wasn't me, I didn't do it. I'm innocent. I promise you, I'm innocent. The killer's still out there. So you never know. Anytime a high-profile person is is shot and killed, it's tragic to some and it's and it's a victory to others. But I think the real death is the truth. Like I think a lot of times these sorts of things, I feel like maybe the authorities know a lot more than what they're probably telling people.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't think we're all we're ever gonna get the real truth about what really led up to this. I think they know a lot more than we do, and I think that we're not ever gonna know the truth.
SPEAKER_00:100%. They'd rather tell us about you know, hellfire missiles bouncing off of a UFO uh before we get any information, which they did release video footage of after the fact.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it looked like it bounced off to me. I mean, I I don't know what a hellfire missile looks like, but but I I know what something bouncing off of looks like.
SPEAKER_00:Isn't that interesting how they release that after they're like, oh yeah, and by the way, here pay for this. We got this uh we got this video footage of a UFO getting hit with the missile.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you know, I um I'm not gonna sit here and speculate about that sort of stuff because I think it's disrespectful to Charlie's memory, especially at this juncture, you know, being so you know, it didn't happen that long ago. So, you know, I didn't really want to, you know, make this about speculating too much on it because it's too early to speculate. There's still a lot of information, there's still investigation going on.
SPEAKER_00:But if we didn't, the viewers and listeners would say, well, you would see the comments flooded with like all of these, like, why didn't you say this? Why didn't you ask this? So if we we just have to say it, right, and now you guys know.
SPEAKER_01:I th I I think we we think we've asked the questions that that really merit asking the most. And and you know, the the the point is is I think the biggest takeaway from this is that Charlie has got a lot more guys to pay attention to God and Christianity and spirituality. I think that's a positive thing in this world that we need right now.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely, man. And you know, I am not a heavily religious guy. Um, I never was. Um I used to be when I was younger. I would go to church and go to Sunday school, and you know, it's kind of I just kind of like went away from that, and and I haven't been to church in probably 30 years, man. It's just not something that was ever on our radar. I went for the first time a couple of weeks ago. See, and for a while.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it ain't been a long time, like over 20 years myself.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm like, now I'm really like like I'm I'm considering it, I'm thinking, I'm like, man, maybe you know, as I have a daughter, I'm like, the things, and I notice this because I have friends that are very religious, and I'm like, the one thing that you know really you take away from religion is that it the morals it that really instills the morality and a good set of morals for you and and for growing up because that's something that I I will be honest with you. I learned what right and wrong, and you know, to be a good person, to be a good kid, and to honor your mother and your father. I learned all that from church. That wasn't something that I learned from my parents. That was something that I uh I did when I got home, and I learned that from like Sunday school, from learning like this is what you're supposed to do, and you know, you have to treat people good and you have to be, you know, be a good person and treat everybody with respect. So as I as I'm I'm already old, but as I'm getting older and I'm raising my daughter, I'm like, maybe, maybe we will try it out. Maybe we'll see, you know, and you know, I want her to, you know, have those same values and morals. And yeah, you know, we'll see.
SPEAKER_01:I tell you, you know, I think what is what Charlie Kirk's legacy is ultimately going to be. I mean, yes, he was willing to listen. Yes, he was willing to have a conversation. I think at this point, you know, his his legacy will wind up being that he caused a lot more people to turn back to God. And uh, and you know, and I think it's gonna have some huge effect moving forward. And I think we were only seeing the very beginning of a very large resurgence of American values, and uh, I mean, I mean, the name of the company, Turning Point USA. Oh my gosh, what a perfect name, right? Yeah. Turning point. Charlie, he was the turning point, and uh, and that's crazy to think that a guy can have that kind of a legacy, just talking to people, just going out.
SPEAKER_00:Being 31 years old.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, at 31 years old, he accomplished so much. And uh, and you know, I I I again I'm not really followed his work that much in the past, but I am gonna go through and consume a lot more of his work and listen to some more of his work. But um, it's like sometimes you don't even have to know what the body of the work even is to know how a person transcends a certain movement or idea. And you see how people reacted, you see the social consequences the shooting has had on society. That's all I really need to know about the guy. I mean, yeah, I can know more about his work, but ultimately the work is almost secondary to the impact that the work has. And it's the impact that people are like, wow. You know, the crazy thing is they're showing up at these rallies, they're going to church. It's like that's a huge, huge deal.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the crazy thing is that he had the power of a political activist or just an activist in general, without actually being an activist. He he used that, I guess, momentum to convince people, like you said, to go back to the church, to to you know, look past what you would normally learn and and look at what really matters. Like that's the whole like college is a scam thing. Like you that would people be so upset with that. Like, oh, how how you never been to college, and yet I'm still here on your campus debating you and telling you what everything that you don't know, and you're still wrong, and you're still wrong. So it's just it's just the craziest thing to be able to go in and and do these things and not have that culty activist vibe. Like some people were like a guy with a microphone, right? He wasn't like, Oh, come to this rally and we have to make change and all like all right, it's a little activisty, a little culty, uh, but he never did any of that.
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't like, let's talk, you know.
SPEAKER_00:He wrote that was it. He was like, Hey, we're gonna have a conversation and uh, you know, turn back to God. Thanks, thanks for your time. Like that was it. Like you answered the question, you say I don't see a problem with that.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I don't see a problem with that. I mean, if if anything, he was really witnessing. He was, you know, he was going it that's a great evangelical approach to knowledge and very uh very Christ-like. I mean, and and look, there's nothing wrong with that, you know. I I think that that's part of a Christian's job is to go out and witness, to go out and and spread that word, you know, and and he did that in a way that the young people could could relate to. And um, I think that's one of the reasons that that he had so many enemies. You know, if you have enemies, you're doing something right. Yeah. I mean, and and and that's the truth. And and I hate that things worked out the way they did. I hate to see him gone. And I think it's tragic and terrible, and we should never condone this type of stuff. But the biggest takeaway that I think we all have from this is that these people are playing for keeps. And if anything, the left has woken up the right in a very, very, very distinctive way. And I don't think it's the reaction they quite were hoping for. I think they were honestly hoping for us to get violent.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So then they could have, oh, see, they're this, they're that. But no, do you see right-wing people looting stores and robbing businesses and setting cars on fire and burning down the police station and trying to just be freaking pricks to society? No. They're going to church, they're holding hands, they're going to rallies, they're holding candles, candlelight vigils, they're praying. Oh boy. They woke up a sleeping giant and they have no idea what that is is gonna do morally to society that is gonna create even more people like Charlie in the future. They're gonna have the exact opposite effect to what they're trying to accomplish.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, the guy had such a reach, he they're using his name in Korea. They're protesting in South Korea, saying we are Charlie Kirk, like by the hundreds of thousands marching through the streets, because he that's he was able to reach out and like South Korea is heavily Christian, heavily Christian. So, I mean, right, and he and obviously Charlie Kirk was uh you know, embodied the the the the Holy Ghost, the the the Christian values, so they align with him uh a lot. You know, it's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_01:Like our show, I I know that we we tend to not really go down that rabbit hole very often or anything like that. And one thing I'll mention too is that you know, the left they really do pander hard to the African American voters and everything like that. And I will tell you, I I've I've observed some behavior. And you know, the blacks in this country are very religious. And I noticed that. Like I went went over to the little uh buffet place the other day to have some lunch, you know. Not an older black guy, younger black guy, maybe maybe 30s, you know, sits down, he's praying over his food before he eats. It's like, okay, he's religious, you know. And then I saw another young black lady comes and sits down. What's she doing? She's praying. Over food. I'm thinking, wow, like every time I see black families sit down and have dinner, if I'm out, so they're always pray. So it's like they're very religious. And you go out on Sunday, right? Now I can't speak for every place, but where I'm at, you go somewhere on Sunday, the black families are going to show up, you know, they're dressed nice, they just left church, you know, they're going to have a meal after church, they're praying before they eat. So it's like, I don't think the left fully realizes the gravity of what they think they're really trying to accomplish by hurting somebody like Charlie. Because, you know, they rely on the African American voters to vote Democrat. And I I think you're gonna see some interesting stuff in the midterms. No, and I think the Democrats are gonna have their asses handed to them in the polls, and I think they're I think they really screwed up, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and what you see is a lot of it is is the younger generation, whether it's black, white, Spanish, Asian, um, because the left has all of them. It's the younger generation, those college kids, those high school kids are the ones that are being uh a little bit insubordinate when it comes to like their behavior on on the whole matter. But you are right. That's I had that written down like no riots, no looting, no destruction. Like none of that took place.
SPEAKER_01:Thomas Sowell in his youth was a Marxist. And Thomas Sowell is one of the most profound thinkers when it comes to race and economics and social disparities and all this data that we always take for granted. But he really dives in deep and goes into the twisted minutia of what really makes people tick in these areas, right? Thomas Sowell is one of the greatest thinkers of our time, and he in his youth was a Marxist. So I'm not gonna write off a young person who's a Marxist today. People change. People change. And and you know, I I don't I don't think that these people are gonna continue to have these points of view. I think that as information is more readily available and I think they will begin to realize, like, wow, I was wrong. Sometimes that's more powerful. It's more powerful when a young person is a leftist, and then they go, I'm leaving the left, and here's why. And then they can articulate their reason perfectly. And another leftist goes, Oh my god, he's right. Like, wow, you know, there's a reason for this. And um I think it's really interesting. Always always use Thomas Sowell as a reference because you know, he is such a brilliant thinker, he's one of the top conservative voices we could ever have. But in his youth, he was far from it. He was a Marxist.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. No, I listen if you go on YouTube, but he has his own YouTube channel and he's still producing content at the age of like 94 or something. No, dude, he's not 99s now. Yeah, but he he still updates his uh channel and he has all his um you know talks. I would encourage you, encourage you guys, go listen to it. He's a brilliant dude. Yeah, just amazing uh audio, just have it playing in the background, it'll make complete sense.
SPEAKER_01:Just put it on a listen and be and be be educated because he really he puts it out there and he's not afraid to tell it like it is. And I tell you, academia has really treated him terribly. And I, you know, it really it really grinds my gears that you know, I think it's because they know in his youth he was a Marxist and that he basically left the reservation, you know, and and I think that that has consequences in academia because most academics are leftists, and and let's face it, you know, our education system is controlled by leftists, and a lot of the educators and the professors are leftists, and they're gonna, you know, sort of really teeter on that leftist agenda. They do it purposely because they know children are you know, younger people are impressionable and easy to manipulate. Oh, yeah. Um and their brains are like sponges, they're taking in all the information, so yeah, they're gonna take the propaganda as well. So logically, it makes sense to try to take over those institutions politically.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's not it's not just colleges, it it goes all the way down to like elementary school. My daughter, when it was the when the election was going on, my daughter was in the second grade, came home talking about, oh, I don't like Trump. And I'm like, You don't even know Trump. Like, how is this like and and I I don't think the the teachers are teaching this, I think the teachers are having conversations within earshot of the kids. So what the these little kids are doing is they're just doing their own thing what they and they hear what and they go, Oh, this is what adults talk about, and they come home and they start. I'm like, listen, let's fix this, all right? For like like for real. I don't I I think the school she goes to is absolutely amazing. I think you know, like I like I said, the kids hear things and they just start discussing things, and then you have to correct it. So I'm just like, hey, listen, all politicians are bad. Like they just that's the exact I was like, I'm like, listen, they're all bad, honey. Don't don't listen, they're all bad.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there's people who who who at one point think that the system can be saved, and there's like one point you just go ahead and you know, like what they say, there's the red pill, the blue pill, the black pill, the white pill, all these pills, yeah, and you just go, you just take them all. Like what what if in the matrix you know Nemo just grab both of them?
SPEAKER_00:Takes the rainbow. Yeah, just everything.
SPEAKER_01:And yeah, and and and and what's his face? Uh what's Morpheus. Morpheus. Yeah. Morpheus sitting there going, no one's ever done that before. We're about to find out. We're about to find something out anyway. You know, I think that's where society's at. They're there's just they're ready to rip the band-aid off of all this and solve the problem. Yeah, what that looks like moving forward, I guess really is hard to say, Matt. I don't know. Uh I mean, I have my speculation. I know that Charlie is a huge part of it. He yeah, he's gonna be known as a person who was the lamb. I mean, and and that's what it's gonna come down to. He was he's the lamb, he's the lamb of God. Well, his content point he is a lamb of God.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, his content will live on forever. And yeah, you know, um his wife is now uh taking the reins of turning point, and you know, we'll we'll see where that goes. Yeah, um, but yeah, man, it's just uh it's unfortunate. I remember when it first happened, uh, I I sent you a text message, man. Like, I was like, damn. I know. And I and I I am not a grim dude, but when I saw that little clip of the video, like the first thing I messaged you, I was like, nah, it's I mean, I like to be optimistic about things, man.
SPEAKER_01:But from people were saying that he might have pulled through. Oh, he's in critical conditions.
SPEAKER_00:Like with what we've seen, I saw that and I was like, no way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I wasn't I didn't want to be pessimistic.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. But at some point you have to be real, like a realistic.
SPEAKER_01:I think my initial thought well, I was like, like, at least it was quick.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, he was he was done before.
SPEAKER_01:I think he was I think he was done instantly. And I mean, I hope he didn't feel anything. I mean, in a shot like that, you you may not really feel anything. I mean, I hope that was the case. I mean, but it's just unfortunate, unfortunately. It's just terrible, yeah. I mean, no matter what. And um, you know, my my thoughts and prayers definitely go out to his family and his kids, and and really society's a victim too, because society lost a good, honorable person. Oh, yeah. So society is just as much of a victim as a family, like we're always family at this point. It's like I think that's where a lot of people are rallying around him for that reason. Like they they feel like they lost somebody that was close to them.
SPEAKER_00:That's exactly how it felt, man. Because you you you you relate to that person, yeah. Yeah, you have like you're like, man, I I don't always agree with what he said. There's a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with. I'm like you man, I don't know. I don't always agree, yeah. But I mean, I agreed more often than not. Right. Um, and I enjoyed the conversations that he had, and that's how it felt. I was like, damn, like that sucks because it's like I don't know how I feel right now.
SPEAKER_01:Because it's like it's like uh Voltaire said, uh Voltier or whatever that guy. He said that uh I disagree with what you have to say, what I will defend to the death your right to say it.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:And and you know that he embodied that. I mean, uh, he embodied that idea, like, yeah, he may not have agreed with what you had to say, but he was willing to stand there and and and accept whatever was gonna happen to him, knowing that there was a lot of people that disagree with him. You know, that's an honorable thing, you know.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I'm not gonna and I know we're running short on time, but I'm just gonna I I was watching another podcast, I'm not gonna name it. But they were they were sitting around and they also go around to college campuses, and they were saying, like, oh, well, you know, based on you know what happened, we're gonna have to cancel our remaining public uh our our college campus visits, and um, you know, we have to be do what's right for the safety of us and our crew. And one guy was saying, like, yeah, the the the terrorists didn't win, and another guy straight up was like, but they did win because you stopped going, like you canceled all of your you can't you canceled all of your remaining or your future college visits. They won.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I was like, and then they're like to watch them try to fight that, like, no, they didn't win, like we're we have to be safe, like, but they won because that was the goal, yeah. The goal was to keep anybody from doing it, and that blew me away to watch them fight the mental gymnastics that they tried to jump through to justify that they didn't like that that they didn't impact that. I was like, no, man, like yeah, and then you saw like Ben Shapiro double down and was like, nope, we're doubling our college appearances. Like he was like that. I was like, that's I mean, I'm not a huge Ben Shapiro fan. I'm not either. Um, however, I do appreciate the the veracity that he has to be like, nah, we're we're we're gonna keep going, we're gonna double it.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I I don't I don't agree with the way Shapiro handled the situation with Candace. Yeah. And I'm not really crazy about that. And there are some things, you know, um his views, you know, he's a little bit too heavy-handed on certain certain areas for me. Yeah. Um, but overall, you know, I think that he's a logical person that that can be reasoned with. And um, but I will respectfully say that that I probably disagree on him with him on more things than I agree, agree with. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I I I would agree with that. But overall, I can appreciate his approach, and I don't think he's a terrible person or anything. Yep. Um, you know, I mean, I'm just gonna have to see how that all plays out, I suppose.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but I mean, like I said, uh, just based on his his approach to it, not sure not letting the the you know left dictate the message. I'm like, all right, I respect that. You guys for sure I can respect you and not like you at this point. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_01:I definitely respect his decision to double down. I mean, yeah, that's that's ballsy. I'm down. That's that's good. Well, um, I really hope that everybody's had a great week and thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode of LOP. And uh, I know we went off on some very dark territory. Um, I really appreciate you guys who support our efforts, watch the channel. Um, you can watch um every Monday at 9 o'clock we post 9 a.m. and um Easter Standard Time. You can watch the uh video version um over on YouTube on IRAC Veteran8888, or you can download audio for this podcast, anywhere all your favorite podcasts um are served from, you know, um Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, etc. Okay. Feel free to drop us a comment down in the comment section below on the video here if you're watching the video, uh, and let us know. Uh, what do you think? Is there something that we forgot to talk about that was very important, or were there some facts that maybe would be interesting to bring up? What's your opinion? What do you think um happened? Do you think that there was some greater conspiracy to harm Charlie? Do you think that this was just some freak lone wolf situation? What do you think the political ramifications are going to be? Do you think that the left is in their death throes, or do you think they're just getting started? We want to know what you think. Let us know in the comment section below. We'd love to know your thoughts. And again, we always tend to go back to some previous comments in future episodes. So leave a comment and you never know. We might read your comment on the air. Uh, we would love to know what you have to think. Thank you all so very much for watching today's podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. Anything else, Matt, before we go?
SPEAKER_00:Nope. Uh, appreciate you guys for tuning in. I know it was a very heavy subject. Yes. Um, but you know, I think that uh Eric and I both uh are happy to finally be able to talk about it with the facts.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's right. Guys, thank you so much. Many more podcasts on the way. Have a great week. We'll see you soon. Bye, everybody. Thanks for listening to Life Liberty and Pursuit. If you enjoyed the show, be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else podcasts are found. Be sure to leave us a five star review. We really appreciate that. Support us over on the ListingPeak by picking yourself up to merge. And remember, guys, danger is freedom. Have a good one.