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LLP Ep135: World Police: America's Global Role
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What happens when the world's most powerful nation decides to involve itself in conflicts across the globe? This week, Eric and Matt tackle the controversial topic of America's role as the "world police" – exploring both the benefits and consequences of this position.
The hosts trace how America transformed from a nation founded on isolationist principles to becoming the predominant global military force. Geographic isolation means U.S. involvement in global conflicts is always a choice, not a necessity – so why does America choose to intervene so frequently? The answer involves a complex web of economic interests, strategic positioning, and the evolution of American foreign policy following the Korean and Vietnam Wars, when fear of communism pushed the nation toward greater international involvement.
One of the most thought-provoking segments examines what truly backs the American dollar. While no longer supported by the gold standard, Eric suggests what he calls "the war dollar" is fundamentally backed by America's unmatched ability to project military power anywhere in the world within 72 hours. This capability serves as the foundation of American economic strength and international influence, demonstrated through historical examples like Operation Desert Storm, where America defeated Iraq's formidable military in just 72 hours.
Despite criticisms of American interventionism, Eric and Matt conclude that if any nation must serve as the world's police force, the United States remains the best candidate. Unlike historical empires or current authoritarian regimes, America generally doesn't behave as a conqueror – pointing to post-World War II Japan as an example where, rather than annexing the defeated nation, America helped rebuild it while respecting Japanese sovereignty and cultural identity.
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Speaker 2:That's what they say. Yeah, that's what they say.
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Speaker 1:One thing I want to mention as well. For some of you that might be more time sensitive on the amount of attention span you may have for a podcast, we do offer chapters down in the description box. So if you're following us on IRAC Veteran 8888 on the YouTube channel, you can go down in the description box and find convenient skip two points that break down all the different subjects that we might talk about in today's episode in a convenient structure that allows you to skip straight to what you want to hear about and you can skip over what you don't. All right, very convenient, all for your convenience and your skipping ability. Okay, so we're going to talk about the world police, and I know we mentioned that that means the US, and the US has seemed to be this sort of quasi world police environment, and it hasn't always been that way. I know in recent talks on the mainstream media, mainstream news and really just the talk of society, especially in the Republican Party, they've been talking about the Barbary Pirates. You keep hearing that brought up. Oh well, we didn't have a congressional approval to go attack the Barbary Pirates. And why does that keep getting brought up? That's because we engage in a lot of worldwide fuckery Quite simply, I don't know a better word to use. I mean, we are involved in a lot of stuff all around the world and you know we topple governments, we support certain governments. You know we are involved in a lot of clandestine stuff behind the scenes that a lot of people are not going to always know about. Right, we have many a hand in many a pot in many a place, some places you probably never even heard of before and to some end goal that you may not even know we're involved in. And that's the scariness of it, is the totality that our tentacles permeate throughout the world, the society of the world, and that you know we are involved in many a thing.
Speaker 1:And our founding fathers believed you know strongly in isolation. They believed in yeah, do business with the outside world, do business with them. Okay, yes, if there's some mutually beneficial way that we can benefit from each other, engage in business, yeah, engage in commerce, engage in business, but do not engage in the affairs of the outside world. Our founding fathers, george Washington, believed strongly that we should never be involved in the affairs of the outside world. Our founding fathers, george Washington, believed strongly that we should never be involved in the affairs of the outside world only do business, but politically isolate ourselves. And by gosh, we're in a perfect position to isolate ourselves.
Speaker 1:Geographically, the United States is a very removed place. Militarily. It is a very difficult place to attack, right? We have isolation as our biggest defense, right? The people who would harm us? They're going to have to cross a lot of water to get here. Okay, it's not easy to attack us on land, all right.
Speaker 1:So when you look at America as whether it's a social construct, whether it's a government, whether it's a society, whether it's a nation, no matter how you look at America as this sort of you know experiment, if you will, we've always been called a great experiment. No matter how you look at that experiment, we are geographically isolated from many parts of the world. So if we are involved in something going on around the world, it's because we want to be. Let's lay that groundwork down. If we're involved in something in the Middle East, or we're involved in Israel or Ukraine or whatever's going on in some dark corner of the world, it's because we want to be involved, it's because we choose to be involved, it's because there's some greater play that maybe the greater part of society may not know exactly what play is being made, in what way and to benefit whom. We don't have all the information at all times, so we don't know what the greater chessboard is or how the pieces are being moved across that chessboard. Pieces are being moved across that chessboard.
Speaker 1:There are many meal bloggers and writers and pundits out there who study a lot of the things that is going on with US foreign policy and some of these people have some very good theories about what the overall play may really be based on troop movements, based on what's going on economically what's going on with minor little skirmishes and trade wars, or what's going on economically what's going on with minor little skirmishes and trade wars, or what's going on with the greater foreign policy, such as proxies. Ukraine is a proxy. We are not directly fighting Russia, but we are funding the Ukrainians who are fighting the Russians. Right, israel is a proxy. We may not have troops on the ground necessarily engaging in combat as such, as the Israelis may be doing, but we are funding the Israelis, so it is a proxy. We may not have troops on the ground necessarily engaging in combat as such, as the Israelis may be doing, but we are funding the Israelis, so it is a proxy. So America has become a fighter of proxy wars, a fighter of literal wars.
Speaker 1:We've been in war for gosh the last what? 150 years or something crazy, maybe more right. So we've perpetually been in war. We've perpetually been in everybody's business. We've perpetually been toppling governments and propping up governments. For as long as many of our generations can remember and I guess that's the crux of today's show, matt is to discuss these things in greater detail. What does it mean, moving forward? What do we stand to gain? What do we stand to lose? What do future generations have at stake? Is there some benefits from it? Are there any positives? Are there negatives? These are the answers that we want to discern in today's show. Now, I'm not a geopolitical expert, I'm not an economist, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a legal authority of any type. I'm just a guy with a damn opinion, and I'm sure many of you are too. Matt is too. So we're here to lay down some damn opinions.
Speaker 2:What I will say and I'm not going to pretend to be what I will say is that a lot of this came from initially, all the way back as far as Vietnam, like the Vietnam War is what I meant. So the only reason we got involved in that was because of one thing, and that was communism. We were so scared of communism that america decided that that's when they had to kind of intervene in other countries, wars right. So it was well, let me take that. I apologize, I greatly apologize because, I excuse me, I did what everybody else. Whoa, ah, okay, I did what everybody else did, and they forgot about the korean war. So the korean war in the 50s was about communism. They didn't want the North to take over the South. So America got involved in that war. They prevented communism from taking over Korea and they drew the 38th parallel, which is where you see the DMZ, and now you have the Republic of Korea, which is South Korea, flourishing, and you have the democratic people of North Korea, or whatever, and it's like lights out. If you ever see it at night, it's just there's no lights there. Definitely a lot of suffering. Yes, so that was. They prevented communism from taking over there. Then fast forward to Vietnam. Same thing. They didn't want communism to win in Vietnam, which it did. It took over and now that it is what it is. So that was kind of where that whole America policing the world came into play.
Speaker 2:And then fast forward to the US during World War II. Yes, japan brought us into the war, but the reason that America ultimately also decided to get in the war because they saw that communism and the whole Nazi party thing was coming into the US, where you had people on the corners of the streets singing the praises of communism and how socialism is good and all that. So then you have Cuba. America got involved with the Bay of Pigs, with the rebellion in Cuba. They were trying to prevent communism because it was right there on the doorsteps of Florida.
Speaker 2:So as we progress through time, you can see that America started getting involved in the world politics because of one thing, which was communism. Now it is not as less about communism, even though it's still a popular thing here in the us amongst the, the younger generation. Now it's more economic. So then it turns into oh, america is paying all of these other countries money. So you will see it when you look at like the ledgers. America is giving countries in Africa X amount of dollars for whatever it is that they want. It might look like that's just money for them to do projects, but that is money that we're paying them to be our friends. It's the equivalent of paying your friends to hang out with you, and that's because, if America doesn't pay them money, russia and China will pay them money, and then they're going to have the ear of that country.
Speaker 2:Good point, and that's what it comes down to. When you look at all of this, you know slush fund money going out to these countries. That's what it comes down to. When you look at all of this slush fund money going out to these countries, that's what it is. We're paying them so that the other countries don't pay them and they're taking our money. But let's look at one of the big things is.
Speaker 2:You mentioned isolationism. America, very much, was a country that was built on isolationism. They come here. You couldn't get to us. We're separated by two oceans on each side, and then you have a huge landmass up north, which is Canada, and then Central America coming up from Central America. The whole thing happened because America started to say, hey, we need to be more helpful with our resources. We're a country of bounty. Now we have a tremendous amount of resources and we need to be tolerant. So between those two things being helpful with our resources and being tolerant we are no longer an isolationist country. And now we're in a situation where we've become too helpful. We've become helpful to a fault where now I don't think that America should be the world police. I think we should just mind our own business for the most part, unless it directly pertains to us. But now we've gotten to the point where we have so many fingers in the pie that we can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting that you bring up communism, because it really is such a turning point for American foreign policy is we were really worried about communism spreading and communism becoming a much more generally and socially accepted idea, not only here but around the world? So it's always been this kind of battle between two very different political ideologies whereby here we engage in capitalism and there are many that would claim that here it's more like crony capitalism, and again I'm no economist now capitalism, and again I'm no economist. Now we're going from world policy and geopolitics to monetary policy or economics, if you will. But we have always complained about the Russian oligarchs and how a small group of people has so much control over vast swaths of the Russian military complex, military industrial complex, the Russian economic complex, russian foreign policy. And these small groups of people, these oligarchs, are essentially pulling the strings on many, many, many things which make them extremely wealthy. They make a ton of money and a small group of people have a very indiscriminate amount of control against a huge area of the Russian economy and even foreign policy.
Speaker 1:So one could say that America is really no different. I mean, we have these swaths of essentially oligarchs that have this large control over huge areas of Congress. Right, they have tons of lobbying dollars. They represent very large and successful business endeavors such as, let's say, silicon Valley and big tech. Right, you've got all of these different industries which funnel money into these PACs that essentially buy off our politicians and buy off their influence and lend their ear, and if that's not an oligarch, I don't know what is If someone who is extremely wealthy and successful in business and they can control huge areas of the American foreign policy based on the amount of money that they funnel through. Now you look at AIPAC and you know AIPAC has a lot of money that they're funneling through to represent, you know, essentially Israeli interests in the American government and you know they own Democrat, republicans alike. And if you look at the amount of you know, influence that they have within the American political machine, I mean they own what? 80% of Congress between Republicans and Democrats, it's some 80% or more that have taken AIPAC donations. Probably more than that and maybe even more than that.
Speaker 1:Look, it's not to say that a PAC or something is an issue to generate money to support whatever undertaking. We do the same thing in the gun world. Right, we send lobbyists to Washington to lobby on behalf of gun owners. Right, that's what a gun lobby is NRA and GOA and all of it. We're all part of the gun lobby. We go and we discuss things with Congress and we funnel money into their projects to help them get elected. And what are you doing? Yeah, you're essentially kind of buying their support a little bit, but of course you vet those people and you make sure they actually do support you before you go throwing money towards a campaign to help them. That's the idea.
Speaker 2:That's the idea. That's the idea.
Speaker 1:Now, what about Israel? Who, I mean, is it okay for a foreign government to have so much control over Israel's our foreign policy? Essentially, you know, one country, a small country, to have all that influence and to funnel all that money to our political machine. And I think that's where a lot of danger comes into place. Where, you know, are we unlike the Russian oligarchs in that? Okay, yeah, a few special interest groups that have tons of money are essentially telling your government what time it is, telling them what they're going to be involved in, what they're not.
Speaker 1:You know, israel has become our gateway to playing around in the Middle East. I mean, and really, at the end of the day, matt, that's what it comes down to. Israel is our proxy to be able to play screwy games in the Middle East and mess with whoever we want to mess with. And we can say, oh, it wasn't us, it was Israel. So one may say, well, israel's using us. One may say we're using Israel. Or maybe it's just a collective, cooperative thing that both governments are like, hey, you scratch our back, we scratch yours. But I think, when you look at it pragmatically and realistically, we have this view that that israel is using us.
Speaker 1:But I think we're probably using them more than they're using us.
Speaker 2:I think it goes the goal is to mess around in the middle east. I think it goes both ways, because I and I distinctly remember this when, when we were running ballistic, we made a shirt off of this and it was. This had to have been like five years ago, and this isn't by any means an episode about Israel, because we're going to move on, yeah we are.
Speaker 2:Israel went into Syria and attacked the dam in Syria and this was like five years ago. They did like a specific airstrike on it and I remember that was years and years ago, and then they just attacked a Hamas leader inside Qatar. So this happened like either today or yesterday, where they flew a sortie and attacked a Hamas leader inside of Qatar, which is a separate country. And then what other country do you know that can blatantly just attack other countries with military force at will and nothing happened. I can't name a single country that would be able to get away with that without America's blessing, meaning, because America, the world police, doesn't hold them accountable for that or doesn't say anything. The rest of the world just falls in line.
Speaker 1:It's like we're the only people that would ever hold them accountable if we didn't like it Exactly. And look at that situation with Iran. They sent that bunker buster over there and blew up that uranium enrichment facility or something to do with their nuclear program whether it was weapons manufacturing or uranium enrichment, whatever it was, they attacked it and they blew it up.
Speaker 1:What did Iran do? They're like, okay, you got me, they didn't do anything. What can they do? And I think, when you look at our monetary system, the dollar, I call it the war dollar, the war buck.
Speaker 1:I mean when you look at war bucks yeah, our ability to carry out violence in all corners of the world, on demand, at any time, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Within 24 to 72 hours, we are mission capable worldwide, in any corner of the world. Give us three days and we'll be there to kill you. That is what the dollar is. The dollar is the violence mechanism. The dollar is backed up by our ability to carry out violence period. I mean, we've been off the gold standard forever. That gold, you know. They keep talking about wanting to audit the Federal Reserve and audit. You know. Go in Fort Knox and count the gold. Whatever, I guarantee that gold's been long gone. Oh yeah, this ain't about the gold anymore. This isn't about some physical asset backing the money up which then limits its value. They just print it like paper. They just print it. It's really based on our ability to carry out violence around the world. That's what it comes down to. To say we're the world police, I mean, yeah, we are the world police, depending on who is going to be the recipient of that police. Now, to some people, we're just the world tyrants. We're going to come in and blow up your uranium enrichment facility. I mean, okay, to be pragmatic here.
Speaker 1:To be fair, was Iran working on a nuclear weapon? Maybe, maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. We know what we know and we don't know what we don't know. We have no idea what they know. We're never going to know all of the information that US intelligence has. Maybe they knew that there was actually some weapons-grade enrichment being done for the physical materials required to make some sort of bomb or whatever right. Or maybe they knew it was just for power, nothing more, just to generate electricity and nothing more.
Speaker 1:So everyone thinks oh, they hear uranium enrichment, or they hear whatever fissile materials, or they hear all this. You know whatever labs that are required to produce this stuff? Right. Whatever it may be for the purposes, but they always associate it with weaponry instead of going well, wait a minute, nuclear is nuclear, right? Maybe they just had nuclear power. They're trying to, you know, to make the citizens' lives better. Maybe not. Maybe it was weapons that they were trying to develop. But see, we'll never really know the truth. All we know is the outcome. We know that they blew the place to hell and back. Well, whatever they were doing, they ain't doing it, no more.
Speaker 2:I with a place to hell and back. Well, whatever they were doing, they ain't doing it no more. I promise you that. Well, here's another, another like just devil's advocate here on that. Why is and I get why america would be worried about that. We definitely don't want, uh, countries that have terrorist organizations running free in them to have access to, you know, nuclear weapons. But it doesn't seem like the countries other than israel which I understand that as well around them were too concerned with them having nuclear weapons, because the chances of them using those nuclear weapons on countries that are bordering them or much closer to them is much higher than them being able to sneak a nuclear weapon into the us based on their limited technology. These are people that still drive around in 1984 helix trucks that are shot to shit. I don't think they're going to be able to, you know, easily get a nuclear weapon into the us. The chances are higher that they would use it on their side of the, of their side of the globe, true? So why aren't those countries doing what we did?
Speaker 1:yeah, maybe it's. It's their lack of ability to carry out such things. I mean, you know, there's not very many militaries around the world that can fly a stealth bomber into your country undetected and drop a huge ass 5 000 pound bomb like 16 with precision yeah, or yeah, multiple ones with precision, and leave without ever getting shot at who can do that.
Speaker 1:So again the world police, but it's all about our ability to carry out violence without consequence. I mean, there are not very many militaries in the world that can really truly stand up to us at a high level. Now, some would argue that China has a lot of men yeah, they do. They got a lot of military implements yeah, they do. But, as Napoleon said, an army marches on stomach. And yes, china has a lot of capability, but how are you going to get that capability from point A to point B? I mean, you got to get it there. In order to wage war, you have to get your troops there, you have to physically get there. I mean, yeah, would china be a danger to us if they were where canada was? Maybe, yeah, there could be some ground assault, something like that, but they are so removed from us and you got to think they already have a hard enough time feeding their own people in a lot of cases. Right, and what a lot of people don't realize and maybe I don't want to be off here but China relies on us for a lot of food. We export a lot of food to various parts of the world and China is a huge importer of American food. So when you kind of get away from the geopolitical, militaristic end of it and get more to just hey day to day. We have to survive, right? They rely on us for survival. So it's like you don't want to bite the hand that feeds.
Speaker 1:If Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe and they're producing all of this, they have a huge farming industry in Ukraine right Now. Granted, they're involved in a war, but I'm sure they're still growing food in certain places and things like that. But when you look at the overall economical, you know sort of implications that come from these wars and conflicts and the whole geopolitical struggle and pointing the finger at who is who, I mean, at the end of the day, we all have to eat and survive. We all need fuel, we all need oil. At the end of the day, we all have to eat and survive. We all need fuel, we all need oil. I mean there's plenty of places still buying Russian oil, you know Russian gas, I mean what Germany buys it.
Speaker 2:Unless they were until that pipe got messed up. I don't know if they ever fixed that or not. Yeah, they had no choice.
Speaker 1:The Nord Stream pipeline yeah the Nord.
Speaker 2:Stream.
Speaker 1:So, again, geopolitical situations also have to involve economical situations. The two go hand in hand. I mean you know, yeah, the US might want to move microprocessor and microchip production right, microcomputer type production to the US instead of, you know, having to worry about China overtaking Taiwan and essentially what? 90% of the world's microchip technology is produced there. So it's like you know what I mean. There's a lot of that type of technology that might only be produced in one part of the world and, yeah, america may be thinking about it economically and go well, do we really want to risk a hostile country having complete monopoly over that and essentially being able to charge what they want or just cut us off completely for some of this more high technology type of things that we all have to have, everyone around the world has to have, and that's why they've been talking about moving microprocessor technology to America for production purposes.
Speaker 2:Well, that's also why America is doing so much to protect Taiwan and Singapore, because, while officially Taiwan is part of China, which they would respectively disagree with, they have their own saying of like Taiwan number one, which is kind of like a slap in the face to mainland China. You know America, a lot of our microprocessors and technology come from Taiwan and Singapore. So when you start looking at the whole world police aspect of it, those are the things that America has to put in place to try to protect and regulate from other countries like China. I will say that I truly believe that China is a paper tiger.
Speaker 2:They haven't fought any wars in the last 20 years. Not of any significance. I mean, imagine the US Army not being in war for the last 20 years. Not of any significance. I mean imagine the US Army not being in war for the last 20 years and just training on base. There's no way we would be at the level that are the combat effectiveness that we're at right now, and I'll just put this in perspective for you guys. And I'll just put this in perspective for you guys Russia, which is arguably one of the largest armies in the world, has been fighting Ukraine, albeit Ukraine has a ton of support. But just manpower, standing army, manpower should not compare to Russia. Man to man, just numbers to numbers, metrics. They've been at war for what? Four years?
Speaker 1:at least Well, I think some of this has been going on since 2016.
Speaker 2:Localized to some small areas. I mean like full-on combat, the full on, like like four years now. So let's put this in perspective 1990, 1990, 1991.
Speaker 2:America goes to war with Iraq at the time Fourth largest army in the world. Fourth largest army in the world, fourth largest army in the world versus America, who has never fought in the Middle East, got all of our logistics over there Tanks, men, jets, whatever. We defeat the fourth largest army in the world in 72 hours. First time we've ever been to war in the Middle East at that level. 72 hours, entire countries in shambles. Crazy, isn't it Right? We're just kicking ass, taking names. We run from Kuwait to Baghdad in 24 hours. It's wild, isn't it? 5,500 tanks. So let's just run down the metrics of what we did in 72 hours All right, 1 million standing army, 850,000 reservists, 5,500 tanks, air defense artillery, sams and SCUDs 72 hours done, taken out, running for the hills. All right.
Speaker 2:There's a reason America is the world police because we have the ability to deploy, to fight and win against much larger boats. They were a larger army than us at the time. Logistics win wars, yes. So when you look at China, never fought a war, it's a paper tiger. So I think where China has the power is the economic constraints. They're able to tighten the reins on the world economic front, meaning they have so much control over what's being imported, because China produces a lot, but they also rely. They import just as much as any other country.
Speaker 1:If not more. And they import a lot of food. Yes, the oceans around China are void of life.
Speaker 2:They're overfished, yeah, they're fishing other countries and there's videos of them running into the Philippines waters and Japan and South Korea just trying to fish as much as they can. But they hold the economic cards because nobody really wants to to not do business with china. America was really the first one to kind of step up and say, hey, we're going to put some tariffs on you guys and for all intents and purposes, it seems to be working like they keep kind of putting off the stays of execution on these tariffs that are coming up. You, you know, trump is like oh, we're going to extend these, these tariffs, these non-tariffs, for 90 days because we're getting what we want. Like we're kind of making, we're chiseling away at what we, what we need.
Speaker 2:So, as far as you know, being the world police, I think that China is a paper tiger. I think if we can do more business with say well, here's another thing Korea, japan and India, for the first time ever, are working together. Because, you know I don't know if you guys have been keeping up with the news, but yesterday, the day before, there was a huge ice raid in georgia at a hyundai dealership or a hyundai plant and like 450 people were detained. Many of those were south koreans oh boy.
Speaker 2:so there's a like the south korean government is a little upset with Georgia and the government the US government for that. And do you know how that all started? Eric who called that raid in was a candidate running for Congress from Georgia. Oh boy, so it's a mess right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a mess, but what I will tell you is that I don't know. You know, it probably wasn't the right move to do. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that really didn't have the correct political win in the sales that they thought it would.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it pushed some countries a little bit farther away than we wanted to be.
Speaker 1:So speaking of America as a world police type of entity. I kind of want to take a little bit of a moment to sort of create a scenario where let's say we weren't, and let's say that there were, a power vacuum that needed to be filled. We're going to discuss that a little bit. I think it'll be interesting you know sort of mental topic to go over here. Before we do, though, I want to thank our next sponsor on today's show, and that is our friends at my Patriot Supply.
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Speaker 1:World police let's say that America wasn't the world police, who would be? Do you think that there's a vacuum that would be filled by some other world power? Or would it take time for another world power to come to the level that we are, because really we're the top dog? No one has the ability to wage war and operate within the world sphere that we do, if you think about it Now, sure the Russians have some subs out there creeping around. Any modern country who has maybe a sub fleet? Yeah, there's some submarines creeping around and close to us. You better believe that. You know, you know, but beyond, let's just say snooping around, do they actually have the ability to project power? No, around the world, I just don't think that answers yes. I just I don't think there's any other country that has what we have in the way of our ability to project violence on every corner of the globe.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm an army guy, I love the army, but I will tell you, our ability to just wreak havoc and loiter in space is 100% like the super carriers man. Just we have 10 or 11 super carriers. We have the most out of any country in the world. I think the country that has aircraft carriers at all have like two or three, and we have a lot.
Speaker 1:And they're older and they're really old yeah.
Speaker 2:The ability to park an entire football field right off your country's coast with so much firepower that they can literally erase you off of the map, and you have 11 of those. That's your ability to just strike fear. You know, I wonder how hard those things are to sink really. With their carrier group almost impossible because they don't travel by themselves. They have an entire fleet.
Speaker 1:They're protected like crazy. I mean, surely those things are pretty well built. I mean, like it would take some serious firepower to sink one of those things those things cost what trillion dollars? Something crazy like they're so expensive to make.
Speaker 2:It's like more than the GDP of half the world, right. And then you have submarines, like dude, I always thought it was like Australia. So this is the funny thing, there's a documentary about Australia and you would think like, oh, they're a normal. They're a larger country, well-developed, very like you, like you know first world, like a normal metropolitan city. They don't have any nuclear subs, they are, they're still using.
Speaker 2:This is an island yes, this is an island continent that doesn't have a navy, which is the craziest thing. But or they have a navy, but not when you think navy like Navy. It's just like massive Diesel subs. They're buying our old decommissioned subs from the US for like a hundred, like million it was like some absurd number. So we're teaching them how to use them. But there is our old nuclear subs.
Speaker 1:Stuff that a modern sub can hear forever away, because those, those subs are loud, so you and they're not as technologically capable, nowhere near. I mean I'm sure that they could do some upgrading on some of the you know navionics and you know the, the navigation equipment and maybe some of the weapons upgrades. I'm sure they could be upgraded some, but it's still a decent so it's all nato stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, like, not the weapons are, but like the whole, like sonar and stuff that's going to be, they can't stay out nearly as long you can't stay under nearly as long as a nuclear sub so then you really your only, only limitation with a nuclear sub is people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, food the humans, yeah yeah, you got to have food, but you're really only limited on how long your humans can live.
Speaker 2:Because those things?
Speaker 1:can stay under a long time, exactly, it produces water air everything.
Speaker 2:But then you look at a country like China and you see news reports oh, their Navy is so big, there's so much misinformation and that was the whole reason I went into that spiel about america going like running through iraq, because we are, we're not a paper tiger like our equipment does what it says it's supposed to do. If we say we have a stealth fighter, we have a stealth fighter, we're gonna prove it yeah, we don't see it.
Speaker 2:You see, like the biggest thing was like russia. They're like oh, they have these sixth gen, fifth gen stealth fighters like where, where I don't see them, that's because they don't exist. You would see, like oh, they have a prototype well, they would like these big things, like oh, they have these, these uh tanks with like dazzler systems and they're impervious to, to you know, javelin missiles, and you have stealth fighters that are like sixth gen. Like you don't see them.
Speaker 1:It's all like propaganda now that terminator is a pretty cool tank. Have you seen that thing?
Speaker 1:it's got the like quad guns on it yeah, but again machine guns that's like something you see in a parade like you see like they're using them in ukraine now they're getting blown up left. I mean, don't get me wrong, they're not invincible, right, but it is a pretty impressive weapon. I saw a video of uh, one of the gunners on the terminator using it's like holy crap. I think it put out some firepower. But one thing I noticed what people are saying about it is that it is um very inaccurate.
Speaker 1:The guns heat up real bad they're not really zeroed well, so it's like kind of more of a spray and pray type of thing. But some bitch can put out some straight up firepower and they're not really zeroed well. So it's like kind of more of a spray and pray type of thing. But some bitch can put out some straight up firepower and they're big. I mean on the battlefield, if you didn't have a way to combat it, it'd be a frightening thing to see because I mean, if you look at them they're crazy looking throw some javelins at it.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not saying yeah, they can obviously be destroyed. I mean yeah, yeah, redneck with a javelin can probably destroy one.
Speaker 2:Watch this yeah.
Speaker 1:But it is a crazy weapon, I mean, and they are making them.
Speaker 2:Well, the big thing that I was trying to mention is just like a lot of it is propaganda, A lot of it is they're overstating the effectiveness of what it can do, and that was very pertinent in Russia, and I would say it's going to be the exact same for China, because you see China, oh, they have these new. Have you seen their new stealth bomber? That looks exactly like our B-2 bomber, but it has like it's like AI made it, yeah, but it has like little winglets on it.
Speaker 2:I'm like so it's like literally the same exact thing with winglets. Yeah, but you've actually never seen these aircraft. You've never that you would see them around, but you don't One thing.
Speaker 1:I can say about America in terms of our military industrial complex.
Speaker 1:I know I talk a lot of crap about military industrial complex just because of all of the crooked crap that goes on in our government and a lot of the sweetheart deals and backdoor deals and, let's say, insider trading, stock trading and all the stuff that you know we get angry when we hear our politicians engaging in insider trading and coming up with these sweetheart deals and no bid contracts.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, those things piss us off, but at the end of the day, strip all that away and just go down to the military industrial complex as a machine, as an entity, as a business, as whatever you want to call it. We do have some of the best production capabilities. I mean we can manufacture the most high-tech weaponry, the best navigation devices and whatever. All the different types of control. What do you call it? Like the delivery systems and things for getting these bombs to precisely go where we want, like all of those delivery systems and aiming systems and early detection systems of radar and the HUDs, and I mean these fancy $250,000 helmets that our pilots wear that have the HUD in it and all this crazy stuff that gives them a really good view of the battlefield. I mean, let's see through the plane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have amazing technology and it's not just, oh, we do a military show and show off some little I don't know concept aircraft or something like that. No, we can produce this stuff in numbers. We can actually manufacture this stuff. And while I don't doubt that China or Russia could make a really awesome one-off, now it's one thing to do a one-off. It's another thing to manufacture that item in numbers effectively and for them to hold up well in a combat theater and have part support and train technicians to work on them and, of course, a whole system to support that aircraft or that tank or that whatever it is, or aircraft carrier. I mean, imagine that an aircraft carrier has to have a machine shop on board just to be able to service its own existence. You have a number of engineers that work on that aircraft carrier. If something breaks, they don't just call someone to fix it, they fix it.
Speaker 1:They are there. It's like, all right, make the part. All right, we're going to make this part and fix it and replace it. Oh, we're going to weld this, we're going to you know, oh, plumbing. All right, we have a team of plumbers. It's like it's a city on the ocean. It has to sustain itself as a city would sustain itself and it has the everything a city would have you got plumbers, you got welders, you got, you know, repairmen, machinists, cooks, trash men, janitors, think about it. Whatever society has in greater society in your city as such does that floating city must have to sustain all the lives on that vessel including the population.
Speaker 2:I mean it's, I think the they estimate. They don't release exact numbers due to like opsec, but it's estimated to be around 10 to 11 000 people. Could you imagine a floating vessel with 10 to 11,000 people? Could you imagine a floating vessel with 10 to 11,000 people, plus armament? Yeah, dude, get out of here, man you got pilots.
Speaker 1:I mean you got pilots. You have to maintain aircraft. I mean there's a lot of stuff that goes into running that freaking city on the ocean.
Speaker 2:Tomahawks, they have jets. They have planes, they have planes, they have everything, man Bomb loaders.
Speaker 1:You have to have so much expertise Now. Do the Chinese and the Russians possess that amount of knowledge and expertise and logistical acumen to be able to go toe-to-toe with us with that sort of thing and undo it with 11 of them? No, they can't even come close to building something that magnificent.
Speaker 2:I don't even think Russia has an aircraft carrier, do they not? I think the one that they had got sunk by a drone strike.
Speaker 1:Didn't the Ukrainians blow it up? Yeah?
Speaker 2:but it wasn't even a good one.
Speaker 1:It was like a flagship type of vessel they had.
Speaker 2:What a fighter.
Speaker 1:What did they call it? Like a destroyer that they had, like a real nice destroyer vessel. Yeah, it was one of them, and I think Ukrainians just flew a drone into it or something.
Speaker 2:But their aircraft carrier was supposed to be like, oh, the pride of Russia. And it was like spewing black smoke. It was like old technology. That's what I'm saying. A lot of this stuff from other countries is propaganda, and what I want to say like America dropping those bunker buster bombs in Iran how much of that was just like hey we can do this. Yeah, like we can, and we have the tools and we will use them.
Speaker 1:You know, this is what I imagined happening. I don't know if this is what happened. This is how I imagine it happening. Right, someone from the united states calls the iranians and says look, we don't want to kill y'all, but on this day, at this time, we're going to drop a very big damn bomb in this exact place. We know where it is. We know you're making your nuclear goo down there and rich uranium.
Speaker 2:You know we're gonna get all the scientists to leave.
Speaker 1:We're not. We don't want to kill anybody. Y'all need to leave, but we're gonna blow this up at this time. If you choose to be there, it's up to you, but we suggest y'all leave. And I think that's what they did. I think they warned them. I think they warned them. I. I don't think they wanted to kill anybody. I think they just wanted to make a point. Well, you got it. Like, if we want you, we're going to get you. Well, they launched what. I don't think anybody died.
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think they told them to leave.
Speaker 2:Well, they launched what? Two B-2 and they flew 24 hours straight all the way, like there's plenty of time. They knew, I mean, but to think about that, that aircraft was not shot down Like a big old stealth fighter? Well, it's a stealth fighter.
Speaker 1:Maybe they didn't see it, maybe they couldn't detect it.
Speaker 2:They absolutely couldn't. But people talk they're like, oh yeah, that's fake, like I don't know man. They just dropped like 16 bombs on you and you didn't do nothing. I think they warned them I would agree. I really do.
Speaker 1:I don't think we want to kill a bunch of Iranian scientists.
Speaker 2:What do we have?
Speaker 1:to benefit from that. The world needs brilliant people that can do know how to do that kind of stuff. Well, I don't think they're that evil. I think they warned them I really do.
Speaker 2:Operation paperclip has entered the chat, you know if you guys don't know what operation paperclip is go, look it up.
Speaker 1:I really do I really do think they warned them. Yeah, I mean, and how much of that stuff goes on, like who really cut the nordstrom pipeline?
Speaker 2:I think they. I think they found out that that was like uh, inside, not inside, but the russians you think so. The russians cut it just so they could say that that was like inside, not inside, but the Russians, you think so, the Russians cut it, just so they could say oh, it was the Ukrainians.
Speaker 1:It seems like the same type of wordplay where they're always just trying to make the other out to be bad and, like you mentioned, operation Paperclip, basically instigating internal violence in order to change hearts and minds on a given idea. I mean, would our own government carry out some type of terrible thing against its own people in order to make everyone think it was someone else? Of course, I'm not going to go there and put my tinfoil hat on Now. I think everyone has their varying opinions about things like 9-11 and so on and so forth. I'm not going to dare make a claim of any sort, but it is kind of random to think that your own government is capable of doing very awful things to you in the name of furthering this huge clusterfuck that is our global policy.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it there's a lot of money changing hands bro yeah, I don't know if it extends as far as to like what some people feel like 9-11, but I will say that you know the CIA did and this is documented did carry out psychedelic like LSD experiments on innocent men, you know, using prostitutes. That is a documented like operation that they did to see if they could, you know, coerce you to do something under the influence. So no, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for our government to do certain things. I think that there just might be some distinction on what level they're prepared to do it.
Speaker 1:It's funny you mentioned the psychedelics, because that's always been something that's been. A huge fascination of mine is psychedelics and I don't ever really discuss the subject. So I'm glad you brought that up, because I think what happened in the sixties is that our government saw that there was all these, you know, war protesters and let's just say for a better lack of term the hippie movement, whatever you want to call it this young culture of people who were anti-war, anti-us foreign policy, and they were all using psychedelics. And I think, over time, with enough experimentation and just sort of knowledge of the subject and as well as just observation of the human condition at the time and where society was going, I think they viewed psychedelics not only as, let's just say, a dangerous weapon, but almost an anti-weapon, almost a like oh well, when people use these psychedelics they sort of wake up to the bullcrap and they reorganize their brains and the neural pathways are connected in a way that allows them to think in new and different ways that might not be ways that they used to think in, and maybe they view psychedelics as, wow, this may be not a weapon, maybe this is more of a cure to the social condition that we want people to be a part of, but they don't want to be a part of, a counterculture that was so far removed from what our policy really was and what our goals were.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, we have to outlaw this. We cannot allow people to have psychedelics. If psychedelics were a weapon, then they'd let you use them every day, wouldn't they? If psychedelics made you dumb and easy to control and whatever in between, or allowed you to be manipulated by some commander on a battlefield, well then wouldn't they be using psychedelics for that Right? Wouldn't they allow it to be used? Oh, they'd be putting it in the water. They'd be putting LSD in the water if that were the case. But do you see that happening?
Speaker 2:No, it's because they can't tax it. It's Title I. Right, it's Title I.
Speaker 1:They can't make money off drug because I think they, not because of its danger but because of its benefits. And I will say the VA is offering ketamine injections and ketamine at higher doses. It is a psychedelic but it must be administered at a very high dose in order to actually have a psychotropic effect as a psychedelic, which also means you're not moving anywhere because you're going to be laying there, unable to move, in that moment you're definitely there for the ride, but they're doing low dose ketamine injections in order to, let's just say, help with depression and PTSD.
Speaker 1:So the VA is experimenting a little bit with low-level psychedelics in order to treat PTSD and things like that, and it's my hope that maybe eventually, you know, they will be able to use things like the mushrooms and maybe higher injections of ketamine and maybe even DMT and things like that in order to try and help some of these veterans get through some of their episodes and get through some of their depression and some of their deep lying demons that have been buried. And I think that these psychedelics are very powerful and I think they're very useful to society when treated with respect in the way that they deserve to be treated. And that's all I'll say about that. But it's interesting. You brought up psychedelics because I think the CIA they wanted to weaponize psychedelics and I think they realized there was nothing weapon about it. It was actually like a cure, yeah, a strange cure that they they couldn't explain what it was curing and they were so afraid of it that they had to outlaw it I would agree I don't think, I don't.
Speaker 1:It didn't have the intended effect no, it didn't. And there were a lot of times too in foreign countries where they would just spike people's food and water with LSD just to see what it would have on the population. And I know you probably have seen that YouTube video where the British paratroopers were given LSD.
Speaker 1:No, it's all black and white footage. Yeah, so there was like some British paratroopers. I don't know if it was it might've been maybe the Korean war era in the fifties, something like that but they gave a bunch of paratroopers before military exercise they gave them LSD, and of course they were just laughing and carrying on and goofing around Like they didn't care nothing about the mission.
Speaker 1:They were just laughing, looking at the trees Like it made them completely combat ineffective. So, yes, could LSD be used as a weapon to make a unit combat ineffective? Yes, probably so, at high enough doses. They proved that with the British paratroopers. Yeah, man, but there are other uses that it has too.
Speaker 1:So there are positive and negatives, depending on what the overall intent is. If the intent is to subjugate you and get you to do something crazy like go attack that village against your own personal well-being, well, you're definitely not going to do that under LSD. You're probably going to wander off and go look at trees or whatever you're going to do, but you're not going to do that. Go talk to the bush. Yeah, interesting thought process here.
Speaker 1:The world police there are positives and negatives. The question is, are there more negatives than positives or vice versa? Do you think that there are more positives to us being this world police model? And because America is such a morally centered people, of morally sound people, especially people who are multi-generation military families right Been serving a long time, do you think that America has the fortitude and the moral compass to be that police and that if there ever were going to be some world police, that we would be the right people for that job. I think that answer honestly is yes. If anyone should do it, it should be us.
Speaker 1:I don't agree with all the stuff we do in terms of foreign policy. I don't agree with the wars all the time, I don't agree with all the bloodshed and violence, but I do understand that as a whole social construct of the world, as a stage, that sometimes these things are necessary and that's hard to come to terms with, because I don't like seeing all the wars that we support and things. I hate that. But are we the right people for the job? I think that answer is yes. If it's going to exist, it should be us. I would rather be us than anybody else.
Speaker 2:I agree. I think if you frame it in that manner, if you frame it in the manner of there has to be one, I would say it has to be us. It has to be the freest country on earth, to the point where we don't just go around black backing our own citizens and arresting them and throwing them in prison without due process. We understand that other countries might not have those laws, but we treat them as though with enough respect that we don't expect them to do that to their citizens.
Speaker 1:I think that generally we don't conduct ourselves as conquerors.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And I think that's important too. If we're going to, let's say, preach about our way of life to other people and try to spread our way of life to other people, and if that really is the intention is to spread our way of life to other people, well then why could we possibly have any sort of moral high ground if the first thing we're going to do is take you over and make you our subject and I don't think America does that?
Speaker 1:I mean, look after World War II, we picked the Japanese up and dusted them off and, like it's going to be all right, we got you, we helped them rebuild. I mean it's like you know, yeah, it was terrible. Yeah, war sucks. Yeah, we gave each other a big black eye In Japanese culture. The Japanese are not taught about World War II. No, they're not.
Speaker 1:They're given a quick little. Okay, some bad stuff happened. We lost. Let's move on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't talk about detail World War II, but look, I got a lot of respect for the Japanese. They didn't complain. They picked themselves up, dusted themselves off and they rebuilt and they have a thriving economy now. So it's like, yeah, america was partially responsible, of course, yeah, we hurt them real bad, but we also, afterwards, we didn't go all right. Well, this island's ours. We didn't take them over, did we? We could have, we could have, we could have easily, while they were down, kicked them while they were down, did we do that? No, we respected their culture, we respected their identity, we respected who they were and we picked them up and dusted them off and said all right, we'll help you rebuild, it's all right, don't worry about it. No, all hands are off. Hey, like I mean, what country would do that? Put that shoe on the other foot on another country. If China bombed someone and then went in, what do you think they'd do? Oh, that place is going to be China, it's going to be part of China If Russia did it right.
Speaker 1:What's Russia doing right now, Taking over Ukraine? You think they're there to protect the identity of the people who live there. No, they want to take the place over.
Speaker 2:They want to make Russia like all Russia. They just want to make Russia bigger.
Speaker 1:And I don't really get the feeling that that's what our foreign policy is really about. I do feel like we're a nation whereby we may not always get things right and we may have some slip-ups and, yeah, we've done some bad things over the years. As citizens, though, is that we generally just want to spread our way of life to other people, because we you know I know that trope is used all the time oh, we fight for freedom. It's not really like that, but I do feel like we could be way worse to people than we are. I think we do. We do generally do the right thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When pressed with the issue, you know we do the right thing. We didn't want to take over South Korea, right? We didn't want to. Oh well, let's just move America's borders. No, like South Korea, south Korea, Korea's Korea, japan's Japan we didn't want to take anyone over, we wanted to preserve who they were when it was all over, and I think that's commendable. I mean, I think, if anything, I think it proves that we're very morally sound people and we have principles and values that we, that we want other people to have too. And I think it goes to say a lot about who we are as people. Maybe not our government I don't always trust what our government does but I think who we are as people is pretty distinctively pretty honorable, I think, overall.
Speaker 1:I would agree. Yeah, I think so. Well, look guys, we getting on a time on today's show. I know we went into a lot of different territory on this one, but I'm really glad that we got to do this episode today, because this is something I know Matt and I've been kind of stewing over and thinking about for quite some time, and I know it sounds like we got a lot of things out that we probably had buried deep for a while. That's good, I'm glad we did that. Psychedelics For a while. You know, that's good, I'm glad we did that.
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