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LLP Ep130: Armed & Ready, Why You Should Carry Every Day.

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In a world where danger lurks in unexpected places, your personal safety strategy demands more than wishful thinking. This week, Eric and Matt dive deep into the critical importance of everyday carry, sparked by the recent CDC shooting where an assailant had 500 rounds of ammunition and specifically targeted a gun-free zone.

Beyond just having a firearm, we explore the heavy responsibilities that come with carrying. When shots ring out, your first duty is to those immediately in your care—not playing hero for strangers. We candidly discuss the messy reality of multiple armed responders in crisis situations and why "running toward gunfire" requires careful consideration.

The hardware matters too. From the concealable SIG P365 to the reliable Glock 19, we break down practical EDC options that balance capacity, controllability, and concealability. Modern 9mm defensive ammunition has revolutionized personal protection, offering excellent stopping power with manageable recoil—but which specific loads perform best through barriers like automotive glass and heavy clothing?

Perhaps most crucial is what most overlook: medical preparedness. If you're prepared to create wounds, you must be equally prepared to treat them. We explain why tourniquets, gauze, and medical training might save more lives than your firearm ever will. Your fine motor skills deteriorate under stress—have you practiced drawing your weapon after physical exertion?

Whether you're new to carrying or a seasoned veteran, this episode offers practical wisdom for navigating the complex responsibility of being your own first responder. The choice to carry is deeply personal, but for those willing to accept the responsibility, it could mean the difference between life and death when seconds count.

Speaker 1:

Welcome back everybody. This is Eric and Matt, and this is Life, liberty and the Pursuit, your beacon of freedom and the American way of life. Tune in every Monday for a new episode as we dive into the world of liberty and what makes our country great. Welcome back everybody. This is Eric and Matt, here with LLP, and I hope you've all had a great week. We are back with a hot new episode coming in here today and LLP is your home for all things normal in a world gone completely mad and off the rails and completely void of all sanity.

Speaker 2:

All sanity, and I think there's a lot of people out there that are just like us.

Speaker 1:

You know, maybe that's what worries me. You know, How's your week been going?

Speaker 2:

Week has been good, man. I just got back from Missouri we were out at. I brought my daughter out to Missouri. She was at a wrestling camp over at Perler Wrestling Nice, so she spent the week there and I was just there hanging out in case anything happened. Yeah, it was great, you know. Got got some training in, we got back and now she's back in school.

Speaker 1:

I see you got your knee brace on, Did you?

Speaker 2:

did you roll yourself? Yeah, well, not in the wrestling academy. So while I'm when I travel, I still like to drop in and train jujitsu, and there's a lot of jujitsu schools around that area.

Speaker 1:

And yeah, I met, met.

Speaker 2:

I met the mat enforcer at one of the, at one of the jiu-jitsu academies, and you know we had a good time and I got a, got a black eye. Uh, busted up, lcl. And it comes with the territory, man, like if you go. So, guys, if you train jiu-jitsu and you go into a jiu-jitsu academy and you drop in, which is a normal thing, just understand that you have a target on your back, like regardless of if you go in there to train hard or roll hard or whatnot, they take that, as you know, you're a bait dog.

Speaker 2:

They want to see how they want to see what you're made, yeah they want to see how good their jiu-jitsu is compared to your j, your jujitsu, because when you train with the same people every day, everybody kind of knows the style of what someone's going to do you learn someone's habits?

Speaker 1:

yeah, and you kind of understand how to combat that.

Speaker 2:

But when someone new comes in, it's a completely and it's fun. It's fun for me it is a challenge because you're. There's different styles of jujitsu, like top players, bottom players, bottom players, guard players, wrestlers. We should do a whole episode about jujitsu.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, man, Eventually. Oh my God, I've always been curious to learn about it and I do want to come up there and spar with you guys. But you know, all this power lifting I'm doing, I mean, yeah, I'm strong, but I worry that I'm going to hurt myself and it's going to set my power lifting back.

Speaker 2:

You will probably need to work a little bit on your flexibility.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that is absolutely one of my.

Speaker 1:

Problems is my flexibility, I do need to do more calisthenics and just really try to limber up more. We'll talk about that more in time, but I do want to get back to that at some point. We should talk about jujitsu at a more holistic level. Yeah, man. So today's episode we're going to be talking about why it's important to carry a gun daily.

Speaker 1:

Now, you would think that this is a very simple topic. That is just, you know, driven, uh, the dead horses driven all into the ground left and right. But it's crazy in light of recent events. You know, there has been some shootings lately and there's been, you know, lots of violence around and things like that, and sometimes it forces one to reassess you know, what exactly is my defensive posture in everyday life. What does that mean to me? You know, how can I be ready, how can I be capable, how can I make sure that throughout my everyday life, that I'm not a liability to someone else and I'm not a liability to my family and, most importantly, you know, to protect your wife, your kids, the people around you, um, and ultimately go on. And then you know, danger is everywhere, evil is everywhere and we have to be ready. So we're going to talk about that and we're going to go into probably a little bit of detail on constitutional carry and reciprocity and things like that Traveling with guns, which we've talked a little bit about that in previous episodes. But this is going to be pretty much all about carry, what we carry, what ammo we use. We're going to go into a ton of detail about how we carry guns and what defensive posture means to us, and also we're going to talk today about some guns we keep in our car road guns which we have touched on in the past.

Speaker 1:

But my loadout is always kind of changing and I want to talk a little bit about medical as well, because I think it's important to make sure you've got adequate medical. If you're prepared to put a hole in another person, you need to be prepared to patch a hole as well, and chances are in everyday life if there is some tragedy or shooting or whatever. It could even be a freak accident. You're going to be probably much more have a much more higher chance of needing to patch somebody up than you will be to actually hurt someone, and I know that's not the cool answer everybody wants to hear all the time because everyone always pictures themselves you know, john wicking it out or whatever, and I get that, I suppose. But really, the boring reality is that responding to a medical emergency is probably going to be a much greater possibility than having to put a hole in someone. I'm just telling you the truth.

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Speaker 2:

And then when?

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Yes, so I know you touched on a couple of things that we want to go over with the show. Um, and I I mean the main part of you, the show or the title, like why you should carry a gun daily or a firearm, is just, you know, for me is that you don't want to delegate that safety or that task to somebody else. And you know, we're here in Atlanta, georgia, and there was a shooting at the CDC, maybe yesterday or the day before at the CDC, maybe yesterday or the day before. And to think that you can well one, I am absolutely positive that the CDC building doesn't allow you to carry firearms. Funny how that works, that when people do decide to target buildings, they target buildings where they know that people won't be carrying firearms. And I think the only, the only, I would say, victim was a police officer, unfortunately, that was responding to help. Now, this guy had 500 rounds of ammunition and he was shooting out all types of windows. And imagine if just three or four people in the area had concealed carry weapons and they were able to utilize those weapons and he ended up walking into a CVS and offing himself like a coward. But you know, I'm almost positive that if somebody, or multiple people, would have had the means to defend themselves, then that absolutely probably wouldn't have made it that far. But what are some of the things that you know, some of the issues that and the things that pop into my head when you run into that scenario.

Speaker 2:

So let's say you're in an area and you know somebody starts shooting, your first instinct depends on who's with you, like I'm usually with my daughter. So I have to, first and foremost, think of her. What am I going to do? I can't just run off and be Johnny Hero over here and leave an eight-year-old girl standing by herself to fend for herself and try to fight. No, my first responsibility is to get her to safety and you have to do that. You would obviously do that by protecting her with the firearm. You're going to pull the weapon If that person is in front of you or in your vicinity. Yeah, you can engage the target.

Speaker 2:

But here's what nobody ever talks about what happens when multiple people pull firearms? Now, who is the active shooter or the shooter at that point? Nobody knows. This isn't like a battlefield where we all have uniforms and we can look at you and say, oh, that's the bad guy To everybody else. If you're in a food, let's just say, for example, you're in a food court or you're in a CVS pharmacy and you have three dudes that have firearms and we all pull our firearms because we hear shooting. And we come around that corner and you see old buddy with the handgun. You're like I don't know if you're the guy or if you're someone that's going to shoot the guy yeah now we have three random people all with firearms trying to engage who knows who, like you don't know.

Speaker 2:

And then now you have the police coming in and the police are like oh, we got three guys. It's like that spider-Man meme where everybody's kind of like pointing at each other Like hey.

Speaker 1:

How do you know the bad guy is not going to try to go? It was him, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Or the police look at you like you're the bad guy, because they don't know they're rolling up on a hot scene Like they just know adrenaline's pumping, people are getting, like guns are shooting. So these are all things that you have to consider when you decide to do that. So I don't know, maybe it's because it just recently happened, so it was fresh in my brain and I was just. I was even listening to it on the radio, like on the way here. I was like, oh man, that's, that's so crazy that you know this is what we're going to talk about. And then, like, all this stuff happens, so those are considerations. Happens, so those are considerations. When you're carrying, is your responsibility to get yourself back to your family? I always wondered when people say, oh, I would go in and get into an extended firefight to try to find this person and fight this person and save other people. Would?

Speaker 1:

you yeah.

Speaker 2:

Would you, though? I'll be straight up with you my responsibility is to my family. I'm not running into a building to save someone that, like I don't know, I could get shot myself by someone that's trying to save their family. Imagine me coming around a corner and I run into an exact copy of myself with my eight year old daughter and I see you running into a building with a firearm.

Speaker 1:

I'm probably, I'm probably going to shoot you, and you better believe that those police want to go home to their families.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, and they deal with all kinds of crazy things every day. So they're already going to be on edge because their job every day requires them to deal with the sort of lowest common denominator of society. I mean as much as it sort of pains me to say this, because I know people know my views on some things regarding law enforcement. But the truth is we choose these people, we delegate these people to deal with the bullcrap of society that we don't want to deal with. So it's you either have to be responsible for everything all on your own and just let society self-regulate like Wild West style, or you have to say OK, here's the person we delegate to handle this task. Ok, sometimes they don't get it right, sometimes they make mistakes, sometimes the wrong person gets shot, sometimes someone gets shot when they're not supposed to. But the reality is you're not the one that has to make that decision, is? You're not the one that has to make that decision? So are you going to defer that to someone else and take it off your plate so that you can go about society and not have to worry about it?

Speaker 1:

Okay, a mass shooter shows up. You simply call someone to come deal with it and go about your day and hide and get away and live, to fight another day and simply pawn that situation off to another person. Now, okay, are there people that are designated for that? Well, soldiers are designated to fight wars. They go and they do things. Police are designated to go and handle those sorts of situations so that society doesn't have to, and I think we view that as a way of society being civilized. We view it as a form of civilization when we have designated people to deal with problems. Firefighters put out fires, soldiers fight wars, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1:

Or pick up garbage Correct, yeah, the garbage man picks up the garbage. Hey, someone has to do it. So everyone's got a job, everyone contributes something to society. And I think the way that we look at a civilized society is that those are inconveniences, like when we get pulled over and get a speeding ticket, or something which happened to me the other day. I haven't gotten a speeding ticket in like almost 10 years and this young buck, g G GSP officer uh pulls me over and uh I, his guy is still wet behind the ears. I mean, he could not be a day over 22 or 23,. Real young guy, and you know we're just shooting the breeze. It's cool, like you know he.

Speaker 1:

He said well I had to peel around in the in the middle lane to come get you, and and he said I saw you from the other side of the road. I wasn't going to argue semantics. I mean, I knew I was driving fast. I didn't think I was driving as fast as he said I was. Anyway, the point is we are inconvenienced by these things and we think, well, oh God, we got pulled over for speeding.

Speaker 2:

You think?

Speaker 1:

well, why should I have to pay society money or pay the government money for me speeding? Well, the truth is, you know, is there a victim there? No, could there be a victim? Maybe, but we're talking a very different sort of environment than an active shooter situation or a situation where we're talking it's come to blows, you know someone's going to get shot, right. Okay, to backtrack to what you were talking about. Okay, if you were presented with a situation where you were, you know, in an environment and a shooting takes place, and you know, john Lovell and I it's funny, lovell and I, we have a little bit somewhat of a varying view on how to handle these sorts of things you know, he's a, he's a SEAL, or was a SEAL.

Speaker 1:

So or he was a Ranger, so you know Rangers and SEALs, all those sorts of folks you know they have a different mindset when it comes to seek and destroy. I mean, they're very well trained to kind of go do that. That's what they do. They're the dogs of war we send them in and they do things you know just right. But my view has always been kind of similar to yours, where, okay, if I'm in line at a 7-Eleven and I've got my ADC on me and the guy in front of me pulls a gun and tries to rob the clerk, I'm going to shoot that guy right back. I literally don't care Like I will If. If it comes to that, like if I have the strategic advantage, like he's not paying attention and he just he just picked the wrong time to screw up.

Speaker 2:

Yep, I'm totally just gonna shoot. Well, I'm not even gonna think about it. Tunnel vision like right, you could be right there and he's not even paying attention. He's tunnel visioned right on what his goal is right, you know.

Speaker 1:

So, like in that type of situation, would I shoot him? Probably so if I'm alone, maybe my family or whoever, whoever I'm with if they're out in the car okay, I'll take that, bet you wouldn't just shoot him in the leg, eric, no, just you know I'll, I'll take that not just shoot him in the leg. I'll take that bet I'll take that bet there's. Look, there's no such thing as a fair fight absolutely and I think that that's something that's very important to get into your mind.

Speaker 1:

There there is no chivalry, here there is no logic. You can't think, oh well, I would just shoot him in the leg and wound him, or I'll hold him up or, you know, tell him to freeze. That crap only works in the movies, like when someone's got it in their mind that they're hell bent on violence. They're not. You cannot reason with that person, especially if they're actively in a shooting environment. Now, if they're shooting going on you hear it going on, like in the situation you're talking about, uh, let's say, it's that government building and there's, you know, it's already a gun-free zone, right? The?

Speaker 1:

last thing you're going to do is arm up and go investigate. If you're hearing shots from a distance, yeah, no, I think that's a good way to get killed yourself, because I mean and again, this is where level and I, we, we part ways. Right, I'm not saying I'm to go look, it's not about being afraid or incapable of going to see, but it's about, like you know, do you really want to, you know, confuse the situation If the police are on the way, then they show up, like, how do you keep yourself from getting hemmed up in that situation? Right, can you deal with the situation before the police show up? Should you deal with the situation before the police show up? So see, there's all these things that come into play. So it's not about being afraid of running towards violence. Hell, no, we're not scared of running towards violence. I'll run towards gunfire. That's fine. But it's going to be a very specific circumstance that will merit me to do that and again going back to a fair fight.

Speaker 1:

there is no such thing as a fair fight If you get shot in the back. If you get shot and you're not paying attention, guess what it happens. These situations are filled with great degrees of uncertainty. When you look at especially I know some of you have seen footage helmet, cam footage from Ukraine and these guys, russians, ukrainians both alike running through these trench systems, imagine how terrifying it is to turn a corner and there's a damn son of a bitch you know it's like. Does it matter if his back is turned?

Speaker 1:

does it matter if he's turned to the side? Does it matter if he says no, stop. In that moment, do you really want to trust that person's judgment versus yours? There's no such thing as a fair fight in that moment. And there is footage of, yeah, guys trying to surrender, but in the heat of the moment.

Speaker 1:

And it's crazy because, looking at stories from World War II, this is kind of jumping around a little bit. But it's crazy how, in World War II, the Australians they were notorious for not taking prisoners. They, out of all the militaries involved in that war, the australians were. They shot first and asked questions later and they got reprimanded quite a bit because you know they would be. They were really bad about they getting an engagement. No one one's going to live If they win. You know that the other people are out of here. Yeah, they did, they did not take prisoners. Now they called a lot of flack and I think they improved their tactics a bit, but they were notorious for being very violent and very direct and they fight to win and sometimes when you fight to win, very, very bad things must happen. And you know what? There are no such things as a fair fight and you know, I think that that's what people have to keep in the back of their minds when it comes to this EDC stuff.

Speaker 1:

If you are going to carry a gun on the regular and trust that gun to protect yourself, you also have to be in the mindset of survival. Just having a gun on your hip is not going to make you invincible. It may give you a sense of security, it may make you feel better, but do you really have what it takes to pull that gun in the moment and use it and your muscle memory not fall to crap? I mean, what if the gun has a safety? Have you practiced actually drawing your gun, taking the safety off, the fine motor skills required in the heat of that moment to actually use the gun? Have you tried just ripping it out, doing a whole bunch of cardio, doing pushups until your arms can't even move anymore, and then try to do it? Are your heart rate is humming, run a mile on the treadmill. Then try it. Most people won't. It's not easy.

Speaker 2:

No, it's not.

Speaker 1:

Your fine motor skills go to crap, your judgment goes to crap, you get tunnel vision. You experience your body go into a very defensive posture that will shut down some areas to kind of pull those resources towards making you live and survive and that adrenaline you know.

Speaker 2:

It's very hard to shoot with your heart rate pumping because that gun like wobbles every time your heart beats. You see that muzzle flip and you're not. It's almost like you're getting like a minute amount of recoil and you haven't even pulled the trigger yet you'll start that gun barrel will start wobbling up and down. Um, so a couple of things I know. Um, you know, obviously, like you've had level on your channel and like I've talked with level, um, oh yeah, I'd like to believe he's a, he's a super family guy. He's all about family. I have to believe that he would understand the difference between a kinetic environment and a CCW, non-kinetic environment. I don't believe that he would chase somebody into a clearer place clearer place like a active shooter. I've honestly think that he would feel more responsibility on like seeing his family, like making sure that he gets to his family?

Speaker 2:

yeah, of course um you know, and I think you you brought up a good point he's a very capable guy?

Speaker 2:

oh, absolutely, there's no doubt about it. I I think you brought up a very good point about delegation of duty and people that carry. So when you're carrying the firearm, it will give you a little bit more sense of security and me personally, it actually calms me down because I now have a responsibility. Like hey, I can't go, I can't get mad at the car for cutting me off, we don't know where this is going to go. Like, we can only escalate this as far as the person is willing to escalate it, to what happens if this person gets out of the car and starts banging on my window and I'm stuck in traffic. You didn't put me in a bad position. I put me in a bad position which is going to make me do something I probably don't want to do.

Speaker 2:

But going back to say, for example, the active shooting environment, most people have to understand that your duty and your responsibility at that point is, if that threat is in front of you, like you said, if you're in the store and that person is in front of you, yeah, you probably do have a duty to do something about that. But outside of that, if you have the opportunity to break contact, get back to your family. Take your family with you. That is your responsibility, because I delegated my safety to myself and my family when I carry. That is my. I'm delegating, I'm taking upon that responsibility myself. You, joe schmo, decided not to do that. You and you did not delegate me to protect you, so that's not my responsibility I mean, I also feel like it's not a cashier's fault.

Speaker 1:

I mean a bank teller is not carrying a gun. A cashier is not going to carry a gun. I mean if someone's got the drop on you, even if you are carrying, if you are a cashier who's carrying a gun, if someone gets a drop on you, your ability to deploy that gun in a useful manner is probably going to be quite limited anyway. So deploy that gun in a useful manner is probably going to be quite limited anyway. So I don't necessarily hold it against like an establishment or something, no, no, not an establishment, and I think it also, it really just comes down to situation.

Speaker 1:

You know it's all case by case scenario of different situations that might happen. So let's backtrack a little bit and talk a little bit about our actual EDCs and the way we look at that and we don't have to spend a lot of time talking about this cause I know everyone um, you know they, they make a big deal about it. I'm a SIG P365 kind of guy. I mean look.

Speaker 2:

I thought you were going to say like three. I'm like oh man, we just talked about this.

Speaker 1:

I love the 365 and um, and you know I know SIG's been, you know everybody's talking about SIG and some of the issues and stuff. But look, my 365 is a fantastic pistol. I love it. I like the capacity, I like the size, I like the trigger. I have the 365 XL, I know what, the macro and the X. There's been some other models that have come out. The most recent one I ever bought was the XL. I love it. It's fantastic. It is truly a great pistol. It's got generous capacity.

Speaker 1:

I think the rounds are 15 round mags, so you're talking a gun that's way smaller than a Glock 19, but still has similar capacity, if not the same capacity as a 19. So it's got that going for it. It's nice slim, it's got a good trigger. It disappears on the body. Now I will add sort of a an amendment there and say that I am a big fan of the glock 19 as well. And, uh, I do carry a glock 19, sometimes mainly in the winter, like, if I know, if I'm a jacket over the top I may pop a glock 19, but but you know, um, carrying appendix with a 365, it disappears. Oh yeah, so a 19, 365, those are really great options. Again, I've kind of gone really far back to 9mm. For a while I was carrying 45 ACP, which, don't get me wrong, I like 45 ACP. I think it's got a lot of redeeming qualities.

Speaker 1:

Basically, it's a giant bowling ball of death which is great, but I like the extra capacity of the 9mm. The modern defensive environment has changed in such a way that the follow-up shots might be very necessary and the capacity of the firearm Having a few more rounds in the mag could be a necessary thing. Like you said, there could be multiple shooters, there could be multiple assailants, so on, and so forth.

Speaker 1:

I like the ability of fast follow-up shots that I can control easily in a moment of, let's just say, stress and reduced muscle memory and fatigue and just the crazy adrenaline rush of being in a gunfight. Um, you know, I think having something doesn't kick super hard you could follow up easy with, or let's say, you're you're wounded or hurt or you have to, maybe you got to hold your daughter back and you have to use one hand. You know a gun you can shoot. One handed, I think is important. So that's why I do like a nine millimeter, because it just purrs like a kitten.

Speaker 1:

It's so easy to shoot and with the modern loads that are out there now, 9mm is a pretty good contender, especially out of a decent length barrel. I mean, if you have a, you know, a 124 plus P moving out of a 6 inch 17L, you're talking some good velocity, good power. You know there's some good bullet designs out there, great powder choices that really, you know, kick these 9mm loads up into the upper echelon of performance for what you get out of a 9. Cheap to train with, so on and so forth, plenty of holster options. So I tend to kind of always go back to 9mm.

Speaker 1:

I did a video on the 30 super carry last year the little uh shield and 30 super carry. I like a 30 super carry, but again I always go back to nine. And then I still have a shield plus uh, which is the double stack version of the shield, and it holds, I think, 12 shots or something. So I like that gun quite well as well, but I always kind of go back to the sig p365 I did a video on the ruger.

Speaker 1:

Uh, the ruger max 9. Now that's a very affordable pistol. I think those things cost like 280 bucks or something under 300.

Speaker 2:

That's crazy and I tell you territory that gun actually shot pretty good.

Speaker 1:

I was really impressed with that gun for the money. When talking about my EDC, yes, I carry a SIG but you don't have to spend Zig money to get a pretty decent carry pistol. I mean, I think that Ruger Max 9, you know a great gun. And that Shield Plus great gun. If somebody didn't want to drop a lot of money and they wanted to buy a Micro 9, kind of like, in the same vein of the 365, I would totally look at the Shield Plus as a fantastic option. Or that Ruger.

Speaker 2:

It's interesting you mentioned the Shield Plus. I used to carry a Shield 2, and one of the major issues that I had was it's a great gun. I loved it Very ergonomic, fit the hand. It had the pinky grip, the extension for the mag, so you could actually fit your pinky onto the grip. Without that, your pinky kind of did that little teacup where it's kind of like hanging off the end there.

Speaker 2:

But the capacity was really low. It was like seven rounds on the capacity, which to some might not be an issue. When I carried it it wasn't an issue because I carried an extra mag with me. I used a uh, uh, you know appendix holster that carried an additional mag. So 14 rounds really, it's seven plus one um nine millimeter. I'm a fan. I think technology and, you know, metallurgy has come a long way, that you can get a lot of a lot of kick out of a nine mil and a lot of a lot of punching power, um. But the biggest issue for me was like the shield wasn't very comfortable to shoot I agree, it was just the single stack.

Speaker 2:

Yes, man it was just a very like it gets honestly. It gets the job done. You point point, you shoot puts holes in things.

Speaker 1:

They're a handful.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but they are just man, it's like trying to hold on to a freaking honey badger. Man, like it's like. I know people are like oh, it's only a 9mm, but like it, just the ergonomics of it, the way it was, super snappy, like it popped up.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Easy to hide yeah, I mean, trust me, I carried one for a long time. I I was wearing, you know, a tailored, a tailored shirt, tailored slacks, tie tucked in, couldn't tell, and I carried appendix on a belly band. So I was wearing a, basically a suit with no, without a blazer, couldn't even tell I was carrying like it's a very, very easy gun to conceal, and even deep conceal. You wouldn't even have to go to the what do they call the bodyguard, you didn't even have to take it one step further and go to the bodyguard. You, that's a tiny gun, that's a, that's a real tiny gun yeah but the shield too was was definitely, uh, unpleasant to shoot.

Speaker 2:

So, um, I found moving up, uh, to the, I guess, compact, to like the Zev, I was gifted a.

Speaker 1:

Zev. Oh yeah, yeah, that Zev is nice man.

Speaker 2:

But the ergonomics, the weight of it makes it so much more pleasant, like you can actually get out there and you know it's got more mass. It isn't quite as easy to conceal, let's be honest. It's like anybody. That's like carrying a Glock 19 or any kind of compact you'll see them they're, or any kind of compact that you'll see them they're like. Oh yeah, you can conceal it. You can, but you still have to be mindful of how you dress. Like you're not gonna. I would never be able to wear like a tailored button-down shirt and all that you would. You would see it, have you seen?

Speaker 1:

those little pole, um those little pole oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's one of my 19s, so this is a Davidson's exclusive 19, the Nibix coating, and then that's got some TruGlo night sights on there. Well the front sight is a TruGlo, and then that rear, is that Leupold.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's neat man.

Speaker 1:

And that's got a Viridian laser on it. I mean that gun it's nice, I like it that's nice man, I've got several 19s. I've got a black one, uh, that's a gen 5. I've got that's a gen 3, uh, nibix one, which that's my favorite 19, I like the grip. It's kind of a dog. Yeah, that's handle it grips, uh, they do the you know good plug for them actually yeah show that on there. Show that on there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, those feel good man that's handle it so yeah, you order those from handle it and you can, oh the laser's on yeah it's got a Viridian on it, but I love that gun and yeah, it's a light laser combo.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that pistol.

Speaker 2:

So I mean, when you step up, that's a guy's gun, Very similar.

Speaker 1:

You have to have a holster that can handle the light. So then you're getting a little more bulk. So that's the trade-off, yep.

Speaker 2:

So when you step up in size, you step up in mass. It makes it more pleasant to shoot, much more controllable. Personally, if somebody said and I always kind of cringe just a little bit on the inside when I hear people say I'm going to start carrying, I'm going to carry like the smallest gun gun, I'm like that's not always the best option because it's very uncomfortable to shoot uh, if you can, if you can get away with it, you probably want to step up to a compact um now. And the other issue is you see a lot of people put the crazy ninja stuff on there like I'm guilty, the zev, mag flares, like uh, suppressor height sides, fiber op, like it's got all this stuff. But but all that stuff it's going to print Mag flare prints. You can see it when you turn a certain way. You might not see the actual print of the entire firearm, but you see a little something there.

Speaker 1:

Let me tell you something funny One of the guys that I used to work with at Moss. He took a Glock 17. I kid you not, he took a Glock 17. I kid you not, he took a Glock 17 and he did a grip reduction down to a 26 size frame. Oh my God, it was the most weird thing ever. But I'll tell you what you?

Speaker 1:

know. So the. So the Glock 26 has that little plus plus two or plus three or whatever it is on the bottom. I got to figure out where my Glock 26 is. I've misplaced it. I might have sold my Glock 26, which if I did I'm going to feel terrible because that was a really great carry gun. Well, our first carry guns was a Glock 26. My first real carry gun was a Glock 26. Anyway, he took it and cut it down and he would put the little plus two on there and it was like all right, it's like all right, the size of that 19 frame, okay, with no mag in it, all right, there's nothing coming out of the bottom, that was the vibe of it, but with the mag, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So you know, if you were to put a flat base mag, in it you'd have a little tiny like two-finger grip with a big old 17 slide on it. It was the most random thing, but I tell you what it good and it and he was able to to shoot it. Well, and it actually printed and didn't print like, yeah, that's all that matters, like if it works for you I've rarely seen somebody take a 17 and do a grip reduction like and try to cut it down to 26, so it's like really long with the short grip a mullet gun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah I mean, but like the 19X, you know this gun. So the thing about the 19X is, this is kind of the opposite sort of direction. This is a 19 slide with a 17 frame, so you get the full size frame. You know, and look, I will tell you, with this debacle going on with Sig and all of these guns and stuff, listen, I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. All right, I love you Sig, I love you Glock. Listen, I love Sigs and I love Glocks, and I'm not trying to choose a favorite here, but I will turn this car right around. Okay, listen, the truth is this is the gun that the military should have went with. Listen, the truth is this is the gun that the military should have went with. Yep, I hate to sorry Sig, I hate to say it Now. Look, that belt fed that. Sig made that. What? 277 Fury or whatever that thing is a badass freaking piece of hardware.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:

I don't see Glock with no belt fed machine gun okay, so look yeah. Sig can make belt feds that rifle. They did. It's great, you, okay. So look, yeah, sig can make belt feds that rifle they did.

Speaker 2:

It's great.

Speaker 1:

You know, sure, I got no problem. I even love the SIG M17. It's a great gun. I got one right here, and what do you see on my battle belt? Not a Glock, is it? It's a SIG. I love this gun. This is the gun that we should have went with 100% Anything with the safety, and I think it was a matter of price.

Speaker 2:

I think Sig beat them out on pricing I think it was a matter of price as well as having an external safety.

Speaker 1:

They needed. Clock's never really been about external safety.

Speaker 2:

They didn't have the external safety on it and they were like well, sig has one and I'm sure I'm 100% positive there was some shenanigans going on with that hold. But we're about to find out. Yeah, we're about to find out, yep, because what was the latest information said that they put a whole bunch of Glock orders on hold so they could fulfill some military stuff, but see, so that's a 17 size frame and the 19 slide, so you can see the difference.

Speaker 1:

You can compare those pretty quickly.

Speaker 2:

It's the exact opposite of what your buddy did. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1:

But I love that gun and it shoots so freaking good. I'll be the first to admit I'm not the biggest fan of glock triggers. I'm not the biggest fan of glock in terms of the ergonomics, the features, the way it shoots like it's a.

Speaker 1:

It's a staple gun to me like, when you grab your staple gun, you got to drive a staple. You just, you know, like that's what it is to me, like it's, it's a tool. It's like going to home depot and buying a staple gun. Like it just it's a tool, yep, but it's very effective. You know you, you don't use your staple gun and think, oh, the trigger is hard, it's hard to squeeze it, hard to press it. No, it's a staple gun. You know you're driving staples. That's a staple gun, like it's a tool. It's a tool that shoots bullets and it's very reliable.

Speaker 2:

That's the thing and that's why people are okay with it, because when you go out and you buy a Glock, you understand that you're buying a Glock.

Speaker 1:

It's a very utilitarian gun. You're buying a Glock.

Speaker 2:

But when you're buying a Sig or an HK, you're expecting a different level because of the price point. That's like, hey, I can go and buy a Ferrari and I know that when I sit in that car and I drive it, there's a certain expectation that the car is going to perform. Whether I'm a crappy driver, whether I'm a professional driver, the expectation is there. The expectation is I'm going to be the guy going around Le Mans in a Ferrari. All right, because it's a Ferrari. Same thing with guns you buy a super high like a staccato, you buy a staccato. What is their tagline? The gun shoots itself. Now, like that's literally what they tell you. The gun shoots itself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, imagine the expectation you have, when you pull that staccato out and take it to the range. And what?

Speaker 1:

if you haven't worked on your fundamentals and you're a really crappy shot but to the range. And what if you haven't worked on your fundamentals and you're a really crappy shot, but I guarantee you, even if you are a crummy shooter, you are gonna be a better shooter with staccato. I mean it's a staccato, it is a good claim, like those guns are absolute bullet delivery devices.

Speaker 2:

Huge shout outs to staccato you're gonna shoot low and left consistently you know just the way it is like you might shoot low and left, but you, you'll do it every time I have a Staccato CS.

Speaker 1:

I tell you I'm a surgeon with that freaking gun. I am a surgeon with that gun and I've actually been talking to Staccato about trying to get some more guns out to do some work with, and John and Sir Michael had brought down their war chest with all their random.

Speaker 2:

Staccatos.

Speaker 1:

And I got to try out quite a few on the range and, uh, I tell you they really are fantastic pistols. They're expensive, but you do get what you pay for. I digress, uh, we'll talk about ammo for a minute what are you? Carrying in that uh critical d so okay, what weight do you know?

Speaker 2:

um, no, I just whatever is the nine mil critical D? Um, actually, no, that's what I used to carry. Now I'm carrying spear gold dot, gold, dot.

Speaker 1:

Yes. So I want to talk a little bit about carry ammo for a minute, since you know, this video, this podcast is sort of uh, surrounding by EDC and carrying a gun daily, um, and, and we're going to talk about this more about kind of in the vein of 9mm, and we'll just kind of be brief here. But I want to kind of cover it because I don't think it's something I've ever really talked about in other videos or other podcasts or content is why I choose the rounds that I do. I think a lot of people will hear someone talk about their favorite carry round and they'll go oh well, you're a content creator, so this company must be paying you to carry their round or something. No, it's. I promise it's not that intricate y'all.

Speaker 2:

Bernicke would be paying you a lot of money if that were the case. Everyone thinks that Bernicke yes.

Speaker 1:

Everybody. Everybody thinks that Bernicke pays me a ton of money to use their slugs all the time in the videos, but the truth is I just love them. You know those slugs were not very well known like some years back and I always felt kind of cool having them. You know what I mean, because every time I'd break them out, somebody like oh, there's a bear on the box.

Speaker 1:

What the hell like if there's a bear on the box now that must be one substantial shotgun slug. Yep, that's a lot of claim right there, but I promise there is no deep underlying meaning. Y'all, it's just that I love bernieke, shotgun slugs and, um. So a good friend of mine I'll tell a quick story a good friend of mine, uh, who I value his input so much when it comes to ammo, a good friend of mine named mike cyrus came down and uh, at the time now I think wilson combat bought the uh, lehigh brand. You know lehigh ammunition. Yes, I think wil Combat bought the Lehigh brand. You know Lehigh Ammunition. Yes, I think Wilson Combat owns Lehigh now, or there's some partnership there.

Speaker 1:

I digress not to go down that rabbit hole, but at the time Lehigh was still a fairly new company and trying to, you know, get out there and get their stuff out there.

Speaker 1:

And here comes pulling up at the farm, here comes Mike Cyrus and he's got these big old guy. He is absolute ballistic aficionado. This guy loves to hand, load and play around and really push the limits on what he does with some of the loads and things and experimenting with different bullet designs. So he was kind of the chief ballistician, if you will over at Lehigh and, uh, he brought down these uh big old coolers full of giant ballistics gel blocks that he made and we had this huge day planned. I mean, we, we were shooting ballistics gel through automotive glass, clothing, drywall, all sorts of different scenarios that we could test these Lehigh projectiles. Well, during the test it's crazy, even he'll tell you today that this is what we came up with right During the test we tried a Hornady critical duty, because in the testing of the Lehigh projectiles we wanted to be fair. So we showed a federal HST, we showed a gold dot, we showed a critical, critical duty, or critical defense.

Speaker 2:

There's critical, there's both.

Speaker 1:

There's critical duty, right, I think it was a critical duty Okay, and it was in the automotive glass test Okay, and in the automotive glass test with the ballistics gel, the round that performed the best was Critical Duty.

Speaker 1:

It performed better than the Lehigh. Wow, that's surprising. So well, right. But I think it's so neat that that was the first time I've worked with an ammo company that Mike looks right in the camera and he's like, hey, man, that Critical Duty is one heck of a bullet. I think it goes to speak volumes about a company's character and a company's ethos when they say, hey, company A, B, C, whoever, they make a great product. You know, hey, this is our product. Have a look Like. We want to show you our stuff and here's some scenarios where it probably beats the competition, but hey, we're not afraid to show you a scenario where we lose, when probably beats the competition, but hey, we're not afraid to show you a scenario where we lose where we lose and uh, and I think that speaks volumes for a company's uh integrity.

Speaker 1:

It does. And uh, I, to this day, I, I love Lehigh ammunition just for that reason and plus cause, mike is an absolute hoot to hang out with and we had a great time, and I think John Patton came down, brought some slow-mo cameras and we had a heck of a time. It was a fun day filming.

Speaker 1:

But I digress the point is what I wanted to get to on my carry load is that the reason I carry what I carry is because I have tested. Trust me y'all, I have tested these bullets a lot, I believe it. I've shot them in wool, coats, automotive glass, drywall, wood you know all sorts of things. You name it. I've tested it. I've built walls to code and shot through walls. So trust me when I say that critical duty is by far the best carry load In my opinion. If you think you might be shooting through structures or or, or cover or or something you know there might be heavy clothing involved um, that critical duty is a fantastic bullet. Yep, so it really is. They are definitely very good bullet design barrier blind, as they say.

Speaker 2:

Like it's design and that. Let me just and I like HST too. Hst is good. Yes, so I was carrying critical D, but that was critical defense, right, so Critical duty is definitely just made to punch holes and stuff. Yeah, defense has a hollow point and it's plugged. So they have that rubber like plugging inside of the front so it doesn't get fouled up with clothing or anything.

Speaker 1:

That is absolutely the issue.

Speaker 1:

So Federal, knowing that they released a bullet called, I think, the Guard Dog, is what they called it or Guardian I forget what exactly the name of it was, I think it was Guard Dog and that's the one that has the encapsulated projectile. So the projectiles actually look like a solid and when it hits it sort of smashes these petals out and opens up and expands, but there's nothing to clog. So it expands sort of like the way a hollow point would, but without having a cavity that can clog up. So you know, to be fair, when we have this competition that goes on between companies, the winner is the consumer, because the consumer is going to get the best dang bullet that engineers can design and build because they want your business, they want to make the best and they see a deficiency in performance of their bullet compared to another company's bullet, then, trust me, they're going to go back to the drawing board, just like Sierra.

Speaker 1:

Now, this is not necessarily related to EDC. It's related more to hunting. But Sierra got a lot of feedback from companies about their hunting bullets being so good but not quite having the accuracy of match bullet. So what did they do? They made a hunting match bullet so that match grade shooters who expect extreme accuracy can still get the good accuracy of a match King, but with the expansion and killing capabilities of a game King. I forget what they call that bullet.

Speaker 1:

But the point is if the, if you build it, they'll come. You know, companies will always innovate on the projectiles and stuff like that, and with these powders that we have now we've got some hotshot powders that can really get some good velocities and it's just really cool. You know, I think that in the past 9mm has sat on the wayside. Matt because, you know, there wasn't quite as many good options.

Speaker 2:

I mean, they were okay, but nowhere near what we have now 9mm is a wicked cartridge now, especially out of a decent length barrel. Well, I think it's just been proven through time that you know, capacity is almost worth um overshadowing, stopping power. Because for a while the only reason that you would carry and this was like before all of the the really good ammunition, the cool hollow points, the points, all of the metallurgy, it was just a solid, you know, nine millimeter low powered crap. But you could carry 15 of them. So you're like all right, well, I'll carry 15 nine millimeter rounds versus 745. Versus 745. And, let's face it, the 15, nine millimeter rounds plus the gun at the time was still lighter than a 1911 with seven rounds.

Speaker 1:

So you know we've talked a little bit about our carry guns and our lows. I mean, we probably spent a decent amount of time talking about ammo, but always, always love to talk about this kind of.

Speaker 1:

I mean, you know me, you get me on ammo and man, I can go down the rabbit hole. I want to talk a little bit about traveling with guns. I know we did really a whole episode on traveling. Before we go too much further, though, I do want to give a shout out to the second sponsor of today's show, and that is my Patriot Supply.

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Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

Boys and girls, that's fine. We do it all. We do it all. There's always a description, good synopsis, of what the show is going to be about as well. I want to talk a little bit about traveling Road guns. I mean, I know we did a whole podcast on road guns so we only got about 10 minutes left on the show, so it's okay to just spend a little time talking about it. But I suppose what I really want to drive home is has my mind changed from when we did that show versus and that was last year, I think?

Speaker 2:

at least last year it might've been.

Speaker 1:

A year and a half ago, we did that show where we talked about traveling with guns and things. Has my point of view changed on whether or not someone should carry long guns or shotguns or blowout kits and things? Has my point of view changed on whether or not someone should carry long guns or shotguns or blowout kits and things? We're going to talk about medical a little bit too in this. I would say that my opinion actually has changed, but I would say that my opinion has gotten more towards where I think everyday people should go out of their way to absolutely carry some sort of a long gun in their vehicle if you've got a good way to secure it and hide it, especially, obviously, if you have children. I'm not saying ride around with a loaded shotgun where little johnny can just, you know, pull the trigger or whatever I'm not saying that, don't do that don't do that.

Speaker 1:

But if you've got a good lockable, you know console or something in your vehicle, it's probably not a bad idea to have one little pump shotgun or I mean like that Kel-Tec KS7 for instance. You know, it's probably not a super comfortable gun to shoot because it's so little and light that bullpup is behind you back there.

Speaker 1:

That's a great light, little shotgun that you can throw a sling on and keep it in your vehicle. Is it something you're going to go out and shoot Berniki Black Magics out of, you know 50 a day? No, your shoulder is going to be hurting, but for having a shotgun you know at your disposal in a nice light, handy configuration that you can keep in your vehicle and hide it relatively easily, I would say it's a great option to just have it's kind of like a little, you just never know.

Speaker 2:

And it looks cool man, like it is a cool looking shotgun it really is like it's got the fixed rail on the top. It's like something that a robocop and it reminds me of the robocop gun, where the little kid like opens it up. And that's what it reminds me of it is a neat gun.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, dude and blowout kits, medical. I know we beat that dead horse left and right, but medical is super important. I would say even more important than all of these bullet delivery devices that we're talking about. Yeah, I mean, what do you run for medical?

Speaker 2:

So we'll have a first aid kit in the back of my car. It's nothing like some of these guys will carry, like suture kits and all kinds of I just carry. I would say it's a step above, like a boo-boo kit, so it's got some large gauze. It has not a suture kit, but it's got like the. They're like special bandages that you put over a wound that say won't stop bleeding, but it's a. It's got like a special sealant on it so it'll help.

Speaker 2:

If you, let's just say you have a deep cut and you can't get it to stop bleeding, you can apply pressure and then it has like a special sealing glue around it that'll hold it. Because if normal yeah, a normal bandage won't stick to blood like if blood is like down, yeah, so this one you can wipe the blood away and like I guess the adhesive will still stick. It'll, yeah and and. But you still have to apply pressure. Yeah, it is just there to keep the blood from like just rushing everywhere. You can't just stick it and leave it alone. It's just like hey you, it just helps.

Speaker 2:

It just helps the situation.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm um. I know this is going to sound really pedestrian, but I'm a big fan of the wellies.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean the wellie boo-boo kits. You can get those at Costco and Sam's. They come with everything.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the orange one. It's the one that comes in orange tin and it's pretty well equipped. I the only thing that I that I think I had to add to it was a like a bee sting kit. It doesn't come with anything for bees and I think I added some dramamine to mine. Not that you need dramamine in the car, but some people get car sick and dramamine can help with that. So maybe um snake bite kit, bug bite kit, sting kit, um dramamine, you know, maybe some other little specialized medicines that might be unique to your situation would be good to add.

Speaker 1:

But for the most part, for just the everyday cuts and scrapes of life and boo-boos, the wellies are very uh, well equipped, uh, to just have on you at all times.

Speaker 1:

Now more of a blowout configuration. I mean I do like to have some good gauze and compresses and I do like to keep a couple of tourniquets on hand. I usually will add a tourniquet to the welly kit just in case and I sort of just put it there and forget it's there. That way you never know Something's happening and let's say you can't get to your main blowout kit as quickly, or like I keep these tourniquets here on my battle belt, okay, these tourniquets right here, um, you know, it's, it's handy and it's nearby and it's available, and you know, obviously, staging up your tourniquet in the proper way um, too, I'm sitting here trying to pull on this thing from such a weird angle, but it does pop right out, of course. But, um, staging the tourniquet properly too. Don't leave the tourniquet just like in the plastic, because you're gonna have to take it out of the plastic, undo the Velcro and put it. You need to stage the tourniquet properly, have it ready to apply, okay, so don't just buy a tourniquet Like. You need to stage it properly.

Speaker 2:

And you have to replace them.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Like they don't last forever.

Speaker 1:

I think Skinny Medic Dietrich. He's got a bunch of videos on how to stage your tourniquet in the best way. So I would suggest checking out his content on staging your tourniquet if you guys want to check that content out. But there's tons of great medical content out there that will teach you how to stage tourniquets, how to set your bag up in the most advantageous way to make everything easy to get to tools that you need. That maybe you might not consider. Like people don't think about, uh, medical shears. I mean, if someone has a really bad wound, I mean I carry medical shears on my battle belt. Look at this.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, man, these are.

Speaker 1:

Leathermans.

Speaker 2:

You can do some battlefield amputations with that.

Speaker 1:

These are these are Raptors and these are folding med shears and they are great, are great because you can, you know, use these to see if I can, there we go. You can use these to cut the clothing off, and that's very important to be able to do because you got to be able to get to the wound If someone's hurt. You know everyone just thinks, oh, I just push, well, yeah, but you got to see it, you got to be able to get to the wound If someone's hurt. You know, everyone just thinks, oh, I just push.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, but you got to see it, you got to. You got to be able to cut the clothing away. So people forget about things like forceps and med shears. And what about gloves, nitrile gloves? I mean, you're going to get your hands all in some blood.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so bloodborne diseases.

Speaker 1:

You want to. Yeah, I mean, if you have the time and the intuition to do it, you know, yeah, throw on some gloves, you know. So, those things, people peopleboo kit and into the entry level blowout kit, but without, I mean, you're not going to be performing field surgery or anything on the side of the road. Um, uh, I think it's um. I want to say it's either CRKT I think it is CRKT or it may be um um havalon, the company havalon okay, they do these um portable scaffolds, wow they're so it's like a.

Speaker 1:

It's a scaffold holder, it's like a folding, like a folding pocket knife, but with an actual surgical scalpel like an exacto knife.

Speaker 1:

Yes, okay and they have interchangeable blades and and of course the blades are symmetrically sealed and sanitary and things like that. Now, I'm not suggesting that you would need to cut on someone, not suggesting that but sometimes having access to that is not a bad thing. I'll tell a quick story. I know we're kind of getting on time here, but one time we were at deer camp and it wasn't down at Linton's place, it somewhere else. It was just longer before that, but I was at deer camp and somebody had forgotten to bring some of their knives to, like you know, dress a deer out. I remember I had my havalon in my in my blowout kit and here I am dressing out a whole deer. It was a surgical scaffold dude.

Speaker 2:

That must have been easy like this.

Speaker 1:

Yeah and dude, I'm telling you it cut so well and also gave you the confidence to know, like, wow, if I ever do have to cut with this knife I know it's razor sharp- and I dressed up a whole deer with just a portable scalpel. Nice man.

Speaker 2:

And I just wanted to touch on one thing. Sure, as far as tourniquets go, not everything requires a tourniquet, so I know if you guys are keeping up. I just wanted to bring this up. There's a big issue in Ukraine right now about people getting a lot of amputations because they're using tourniquets on wounds that don't necessarily need tourniquets on their legs, and they've been on there for a really long time and they're losing arms and legs because they're using it as a catch-all. They're like oh, he got hit in the arm, he got hit in the leg, or he has a wound on one of his extremities, put a tourniquet on it. And now they're putting out new information like, hey, not everything requires a tourniquet, be a little bit smart about it. And I remember there's a lot of outdated information and we actually, you know, when we were in combat, we were told this and it was like at the time it might have been good information, but it's bad information now it's the best we had at the time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that was like hey, you know, if you're on a tourniquet, if we're on a mission, you can undo the tourniquet and let the blood kind of come back through and then turn like reapply the tourniquet, so that way it has a better chance, the limb has a better chance of survival, which we know now probably isn't the best idea, but 20 years ago guys that like I mean we're talking when we were in combat it like the stone age man compared to what it is now.

Speaker 1:

I mean as far as like advances in medical, advances in like everything you have to outweigh the possibility of dying versus the possibility of losing a limb. Yes, yeah, you just may have to accept you're gonna lose that limb but you're gonna live. So it's like make your choice, but you're gonna make it now yeah, you can't, can't wait Forever, hold your peace man.

Speaker 1:

I think we really covered a lot of good bases in today's show and I know we could probably go on and discuss things at a little further detail. But I really wanted this to be about the importance of EDC. I mean, there's just been so many things going on all these shootings and things. I think it's important to reiterate to people how important it is to make sure that you are well-armed and well-prepared and well-versed in how to deal with medical emergencies, and that level of preparation is not always easy for an average person to have under their belt. Because, I mean, it's a lot of information to know, it's a lot of knowledge, it's a lot of training, it's a lot of capability that you know. Quite frankly, look, we're all busy, we have jobs, we work hard, we take care of our families. We have many other things that we'd rather be doing than going out and training at the range or going out and taking medical classes. I get it Like. I know some people place a very high emphasis on it and I'm I'm happy to have those people in society, but I don't I don't blame the person who doesn't have the time to go out and really dive into all of this at a deeper level. I get that. I understand it.

Speaker 1:

I guess the only thing I would say to those kind of people is just try to make an effort to slowly but surely increase your posture and increase your level of survivability, even if you're anti-gun. I doubt you're watching this if you're anti-gun, but even if you hate guns, you should at least be well-prepared medically. You can still help someone. You can still own body armor. You can still stop bullets. You can still do all that. Armor is one of the most passive ways you can protect yourself. Absolutely. Don't think just because you don't own a gun you should own a gun, but if you don't, uh, it's okay to have armor and a blowout kit. At least you're more prepared than just someone who is going about with with nothing at all.

Speaker 2:

That's right and hopefully you know our conversation today. You, you know, obviously, if you're watching the show, if you're, you know, subscribed to the channel, you're in a very similar mindset as Eric and I. You know, um, you know, hopefully we did a great job of explaining to you guys like our mentality. Uh, if, obviously, if you're watching the show, you are of the same mentality, so we don't have to convince you to carry every day. But to the new viewers they're going to come in, maybe they're looking for some confirmation bias of like, yeah, they're typing in, is it normal to carry a gun every day? And then our video pops up and it's like yes, that is normal.

Speaker 1:

And it's becoming more normal. I know we didn't really have a chance to talk about uh reciprocity or or EDC in terms of uh like, uh constitutional carry and things like that. We have so many states that are constitutional carry. Now it has really opened up the floodgates on our ability to exercise our rights and protect ourselves without the fear of government interference or, worse, without the fear of the government simply being able to say no, that's right.

Speaker 1:

Some places are a shall not issue, won't issue state, or they have very strict standards on what you have to go through, and that can be a very daunting thing for a person to go through if they're new to guns and now they're hit with all of these strict criteria that they have to go through. I think it's purposely designed to cause a person to kind of want to go. Well, I thought about it and maybe I don't want a gun after all, and that's the Like. The barrier of entry should be way, way lower and easier to make it easier for people to exercise their rights on a regular basis, and I think that we're seeing now, um a much greater environment for that to occur than what it was 20, 30 years ago.

Speaker 2:

So it's um it's definitely getting better.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, Absolutely Yep. Anything else before we head on Matt.

Speaker 2:

No, I mean just real quick. I know that you were talking about. You know, brought up a good point about you know. Hopefully you know just because if you're anti-gun or you know you don't want to carry a gun and you're choosing to delegate that to somebody else, you know, that's perfectly fine. Not everybody wants to do that no-transcript gun.

Speaker 1:

I'm not safe, I'm not capable, I'm not trained. It's okay to just admit hey, maybe you shouldn't have one, or maybe you don't trust yourself with one.

Speaker 1:

Whatever the reason is your reason for not wanting to have a gun is just as valid as my reason for wanting to have a gun Absolutely, and that's okay. I'm not going to hate someone that doesn't choose to be a gun owner. But I think it's very counterproductive to stop people or want to stop people who actually do have the training and mentality to be an asset to society with a gun, and I think, honestly, the tides are turning a lot on that. I think that in reality, when you go about your everyday world, I think more people are certainly more open to people carrying than they were in the past. I think I think the tides are turning. I would agree 100%. Yeah, I really do.

Speaker 1:

Thanks so much for tuning in. We've got many more episodes on the way, lots of stuff going on, so we will see you guys next week. Have a great one. We'll see you soon. Bye everybody. Thanks for listening to Life, liberty and Pursuit. If you enjoyed the show, be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, spotify and anywhere else podcasts are found. Be sure to leave us a five-star review. We'd really appreciate that. You can support us over on Ballistic Inc by picking yourself up some merch and remember guys, dangerous freedom have.