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LLP #124: Debunking Firearm Myths
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Ever wondered why movie suppressors make guns whisper-quiet while real ones just "take the edge off"? Eric and Matt dive deep into the misleading world of Hollywood gun myths and media distortions that shape public perception of firearms.
The duo tackles how suppressors became demonized despite being considered basic hearing protection in Europe, where shooting without one is considered rude. They expose how news outlets deliberately mislabel hunting rifles as "sniper rifles" and show footage of shotgun damage while claiming it represents AR-15 capabilities — all tactics designed to shift public opinion against certain firearms.
Along the way, they challenge the popular belief that revolvers never fail (they do, and catastrophically), explain what really happens when ammunition catches fire (hint: it's not the bullet that becomes the projectile), and discuss how improper maintenance leads to undeserved reputations for certain firearms being unreliable.
With the SHORT Act potentially removing suppressors and short-barreled rifles from NFA restrictions, the hosts explain why this legislation matters and how it could normalize items that have been unfairly vilified. Whether you're a seasoned gun owner or simply interested in separating fact from fiction, this episode cuts through the noise with firsthand knowledge and practical insights.
Share your own experiences with firearm myths or misconceptions in the comments — the hosts might feature your story in a future episode. Subscribe and tune in every Monday at 9am Eastern for new episodes exploring liberty and the American way of life.
Welcome back everybody. This is Eric and Matt, and this is Life, Liberty and the Pursuit, your beacon of freedom and the American way of life. Tune in every Monday for a new episode as we dive into the world of liberty and what makes our country great. Welcome back everybody. This is Eric and Matt, here with LLP, and we have a great show here for you today. We're going to be talking about some of the common misconceptions about firearms and I tell you we got one doozy of a show. We're going to be talking about some of the common misconceptions about firearms and I tell you we got one doozy of a show. We're going to go over everything from some myths and some misconceptions, some media, some things that the media get wrong about guns all the time, and I tell you I'm looking forward to today's show. My man.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Today's going to be a great show. I think that the viewers, you guys, are going to see a lot of these misconceptions and myths that you've also heard.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah for sure, for sure. And it only seems, matt, like firearms are one of those things, that it's the easiest thing, especially for the media, and the media is a huge culprit right. They're one of the worst culprits there are because they like to demonize firearms and they do that through so many different methods, and we'll go over some of those. But before we get started on the show, how's the week been going for you?
Speaker 2:Week has been amazing. You know it's always a good week when you are able to wake up and both feet hit the ground at the same time and you can put your pants on without any pain. You know, it's just, it's a good week. You know the bad weeks are when you have, when you get out of bed and your back hurts and your neck hurts and your arms hurt, and you know those days are are more often than not, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1:All right, I got a question for you, yep. Ok, my girlfriend and I we seem to have I'm not going to say we argue or disagree, but we have perhaps, maybe a slightly differing opinion on the subject matter, and that's chiropractors. Okay, I went to chiropractor yesterday, and before that I'd gone the week before to go get adjusted, and I tell you, I feel better, do you? So she thinks that it's kind of a pseudoscience. What do you think you believe in it?
Speaker 2:I believe chiropractors have their place. If I'm in a really bad way, I do go and visit a sports chiropractor. The thing is that you have to understand is there's a difference between, say, like a sports chiropractor or someone that practices sports medicine and like your run of the mill car crash chiropractor, which is more often than not what people run into. You go in and you say, hey, doc, I'm having some neck pain, some back pain, and they treat you like you were in a car accident and then they just do the same thing, rinse and repeat, over and over again. They're kind of adjusting you very generically, um, versus when you go in to see a sports chiropractor or someone that practices sports medicine, they are treating the actual issue. So if I say hey, and especially so, for example, I visit a sports chiropractor that he does grappling, he's a grappler, so he understands the unique obstacles and pain that we have and that we get as grapplers, obstacles and pain that we have and that we get as grapplers. So if I say, hey, you know my shoulders really hurting me, I got caught in a kimura or I got caught in a, you know, americana, that's a shoulder lock, like he's like all right, well, there's no reason for me to adjust your back.
Speaker 2:I'm going to work on your shoulder and he'll spend the whole time just working on my shoulder, my rotator cuff, my scapula, um, so they really have to understand what your specialty is Like. What are you going to see them for? Now, if I got into a car accident, I'm going to go see someone that specializes in car accidents. Yeah, but you need to find someone that knows what they're doing and unfortunately, Eric, you know, chiropractors do have kind of like that bad, that bad rap of like oh, it's, it was built around, you know, pseudoscience and magnets and all like yeah, it is kind of a weird. When you look back at the history of it, it is kind of weird.
Speaker 1:You can. You can see where a lot of physicians would consider it to be pseudoscience. So the guy that I went to, he's from South Africa and it was just so interesting, you know, we, we kind of, you know, went down that rabbit hole and it was just very interesting to hear some of his takes on things and, uh, you know, I feel like he's a very competent chiropractor and, um, you know, I adjustments working well for me. Um, he had mentioned like a nerve flossing. I don't know if you guys have ever heard of that and like, with nerve flossing, what they do is they stretch your body in a certain location, like whether it's your head, like in my case, my shoulder is kind of out of whack a little bit and he's been adjusting my shoulder and it does help like kind of breaking up that lactic acid and everything like that. Yep.
Speaker 1:But also the nerves, like as your muscles grow, as you're working out, you're getting stronger. Sometimes those muscles can pinch your nerves in certain ways from growing just by virtue of growing. So with the with the flossing, it's like basically, you like turn your head a certain way and then you know you're kind of raising lower your hand like this and you think it's the weirdest thing, but like, just that bit will will cause that nerve to you know sort of move and twitch in a way that allows it to you know kind of you know, get unpinched Right and that can keep you from healing, it can keep your muscles from growing and in some cases you might have one side that's stronger than the other. In my case, my bench press is completely jacked up. One side is way weaker. So the strength is there, but if the strength isn't equal on both both shoulders then I'm never going to be able to complete the lift at the level that I need to complete it at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you see that a lot, not just with, say, like bench press, but also like the way you walk, like your gait, the way that you walk, um will be abnormal, and that causes you to get even worse because now you're compensating. It's like the human body is so weird man. It's like you know, if you have an abnormal gait, your body compensates for that abnormal gait and then it makes it even worse, right, and then like now you're kind of walking, now you develop a limp if you don't get it fixed.
Speaker 1:And then oh man, one thing just, it makes the other thing worse.
Speaker 2:And now your shoulder now because you have a limp and your body's compensating, your shoulders are like kind of jacked up, and then you go see the chiropractor and like you could call a pseudoscience all you want, but they fix it like they fix Right. So is it really pseudoscience Like?
Speaker 1:I think that the reason that it gets lopped into pseudoscience is because not everyone has the same type of result. Like everyone may experience different degrees of success with the treatment Like one person may react really well to it.
Speaker 1:And the same could be said for acupuncture, right? Like you know, acupuncture many people consider it to be pseudoscience, but acupuncture has been used in China for thousands of years and hey, you know, there's a reason. They've been doing it for thousands of years. I mean, I'll trust a practitioner who's been doing that generationally for thousands of years over someone who is paid to. You know, peddle some big pharma pill down your throat every month.
Speaker 2:This is true.
Speaker 1:Now I'm not. Hey look, medical science is what it is. I'm not hating the pill pushers because, yeah, there are situations where you know having that pill might help a certain person, I mean in certain chemical imbalances or nutritional imbalances or something like that.
Speaker 1:But we're talking about using something to hide a symptom and not treat that symptom, but just have someone take a pill in perpetuity. I think that the reason it gets you know lopped into pseudoscience is because people have varying degrees of success. One person may respond really well to chiropractic care, others maybe not so much. But maybe the underlying issue wasn't being caused by a chiropractic issue, so it's just, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:You know.
Speaker 1:I think that the going to the chiropractor is cheap enough and affordable enough. I think it's something that should be considered maybe as a tool in the arsenal of multiple tools to get you better. I've been doing band work with resistance bands to help work that deltoid because it's really that delt back there. That's just humming like crazy and I've been trying to really get that stronger. How's the Jiu-Jitsu Academy doing Jiu-Jitsu?
Speaker 2:Academy, better academy is amazing well, it's been doing good, yes I mean, if you guys are interested in training with us, come train with us. Alliance jujitsu, roswell, roswell, georgia. Um, you know, and it's funny, you bring up, you know, the jujitsu academy, because one of the things that is very unique about that is that you have it's like a very broad student base. So we have a ton of students and this is with any jujitsu academy, really you run into people from all walks of life and more often you you find your doctors and your chiropractors from your student base. So, like guys, when I, when I blew out my ankle and I had a catastrophic injury, the orthopedic surgeon was was one of our jujitsu members, so he didn't work on ankles, he works on like upper upper extremities, but he was able to make a phone call and said hey, man, go see my other buddy, that is a foot and leg specialist. So, like, that network you build with your students is great.
Speaker 2:And then we have that chiropractors. We have that. They come in, they they set the table up like once a week and they're like hey, if you're having issues, just you know, jump in, you know, we'll work on it. So I agree with you a hundred percent, especially with the chiropractor. It is something that you have to be done, have to have done regularly. Um, like you said, inexpensive enough 25 bucks, maybe once a week you go in and then it'll. It'll keep you straight, like your shoulders are even, your hips are even your back is good. I think you see a lot of the issues when they do it once and then they're like, oh, it didn't work. We're like, bro, you did it once, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to kind of keep it going.
Speaker 2:Yes.
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Speaker 1:All right, so common misconceptions about guns. I know this is probably what everybody's here for. And look, I want to make a quick mention here. I do put chapters down in the description box below. Okay, that break down the show.
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Speaker 1:But we're going to talk about common misconceptions about guns and I think you know there are so many that it's difficult sometimes to you know. Think, where the hell do we begin? I think one of the most obvious ones and I think it's very pertinent right now to mention this misconception is this sort of Hollywood misconception about suppressors. You know, right now we're we are on the cusp here of having some really good gun legislation going our way for the first time in a long time I would say historical gun legislation going through Now. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's in the big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 2:Right, okay.
Speaker 1:However, we are getting some stuff snuck in there. Essentially, that works for us right. Right now, the Senate is pushing through the Short Act.
Speaker 1:So, as of right now. From everything I can discern about it is that suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns and AOWs are all now going to be exempt from the tax, the NFA tax, and not be subject to registration at all. Now it'll still be an over-the-counter item that will still go through a 4473, and you still have to do an over-the-counter gun record on it, but at least you can theoretically get it that day and leave with it that day, and that's absolutely crazy. I mean, imagine how long it's going to be before suppressors, andpss and SBRs are ever in stock again. Companies are going to be tripping over themselves to make these things for years to catch up with the demand. When someone finds out that they can buy a 12-inch shotgun no special paperwork and walk right out the door with it, that's a really amazing thing. So I wanted to take a moment to discuss policy real quick, because I think it does play into the misconceptions that Hollywood has about guns, like one primarily is suppressors and what happens in the movie with a suppressor.
Speaker 2:Matt, oh Lord, it's. Everything is like deathly quiet and people are like. That reminds me of John. I hate to use John Wick as the example, but they just really went over the top when they were like walking through the train station and they're just like one guy's on the second floor and they're just like shooting at each other and everybody's just walking by like none the wiser. I'm like, please, please.
Speaker 1:There are very, very limited situations where a pistol could be that quiet.
Speaker 2:And that's not one of them, because they were not using, and in public.
Speaker 1:I don't care how involved in the moment you are in terms of not paying attention. You're going to know it's a gun. If you're within 20, 30 feet of it, you're still going to know it's a gun. It's going to have that. It has that sound to it. It has that snappy sound. You can hear the action, you that sound to it. It has that snappy sound. You can hear the action. You can hear the slide reciprocating.
Speaker 1:Like you may not, know, what the sound of a suppressed gunshot, especially like a 45 acp or 32 acp with a good can, a pretty quiet setup. But you still know what the sound of a slide going. You know, you know that sound.
Speaker 1:You know the sound of a hammer dropping and you know that sound when you hear it like a slide getting racked, like it has a distinctive sound so you can make the gun as quiet as you want, but you're never going to get past the sound of that action. You know you're never going to get past the sound of what the gun actually does when, when guns are fired. And what's another misconception about suppressors in movies that drives people absolutely insane, I know, is that what kind of people use suppressors in movies.
Speaker 2:Usually like assassins or hitmen.
Speaker 1:Assassins, hitmen, secret agents. You know bad people, right.
Speaker 1:Or you know evil, bad people who are, you know assassins or something. And I think that Hollywood paints that misconception about gun owners. It's not just the tool that's being used, it's the kind of person that uses the tool. Oh well, for one, the suppressor is already a demonized item because, oh, only assassins and secret agents and murderers and all of these hitmen are the only people that need a suppressor, and Hollywood paints that picture that those are the only types of people who have and use suppressors.
Speaker 1:Now, is that to say that there haven't been several people that the Mossad has probably knocked off with a suppressed Beretta 71?, 22? I'm sure they've probably stepped into an elevator with a few people with a Beretta 71 with a can on it and took care of business, right? And I mean, look, governments kill people. It just it is what it is, yep. Now is that to say that that's not true, right? Is it not true that James Bond would have a suppressor on his gun or whatever? I mean, yeah, maybe, but the truth is, if you go to a range, like sometimes when we have range day, and then we have, uh, you know, a suppressed only shooting hour that we have at range day, and you think, damn, that's not suppressed. You hear, you hear all of those sounds. You know where the gunshots are still breaking the sound. Oh yeah, man, still you can never really completely quiet down a gunshot.
Speaker 2:Not any round that is worth its salt. I mean, when you start looking at, like you know, yeah, you can suppress AKs, you can suppress, like you know, ars, you can suppress FALs, but they're still going to break the sound barrier. You're still going to hear the crack. And even if you use subsonic ammo, it's not reliable. You're not going to cycle a full auto with it. Everything's going to turn into a bolt action. At that point You're kind of cycling it manually and I think you're right, eric.
Speaker 2:I think the Hollywood and the movie industry for the longest time has really been the detriment to any type of movement on getting suppressors off of the NFA, any type of movement on getting suppressors off of the NFA, because, like you said, everything is kind of looked at like oh why do you need this? In the movies, only bad people use them. I don't talk highly of Europe on almost anything, but if you look at Europe with suppressors and rifles, they consider it rude if you don't use a suppressor. It's like they're like what do you mean? You're shooting without a suppressor? Like that's just rude, mate. You know, it's like they. It's expected that you're going to use a can.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they treat suppressors like hearing protection.
Speaker 2:And you know, even on days where they're out hunting. You know, even a lot of hunters use suppressors over in Europe because they don't want to disturb people. I don't take that as me agreeing with any of their you know authoritarian laws, because I most certainly do not, but if you look at it just from that standpoint I would agree with that. Like it is rude to not use a can.
Speaker 1:I also think that, you know, in this situation of Europe, for instance, I don't know if I would ever want I definitely would not want a model in the U? S where they say, okay, well, suppressors are illegal now, therefore, every gun has to have a suppressor in order to try to keep the noise pollution down, or something like that. Like I wouldn't want it to be a requirement that someone had it it on there. You know, because for some, like yeah, there's a lot of older or historic guns that cannot accept a suppressor and I'm not gonna, you know, modify some antique firearm or older firearm to to take a suppressor. But I don't think it should be a mandatory thing where someone should have to have a can on their gun. I just think it's good practice that, hey, if a gun is threaded and you can put a can on it and you have the means to own a suppressor, I don't really think it's a big deal. I find myself in my YouTube videos now like anytime a gun has a threaded barrel and I can throw a can on it. I do Because, you know, it's kinder to the neighbors Not that my neighbors even care, but it is kinder to the neighbors and it just makes the gun a little bit less obnoxious.
Speaker 1:So when you're talking about suppressors on a centerfire supersonic rifle cartridge, like, say, you're trying to suppress 5.56, all it's really going to do is what we call take the edge off. It takes the edge off. Yeah, you're going to get some net sound reduction. Yeah, it's going to decrease the noise of the gun a bit for the shooter. And I would say militaristically or tactically or whatever you want to look at that, yeah, tactics-wise will it conceal the location of a shooter a little bit. Better to have a suppressor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on a big battlefield, when there's utter chaos going on and there's 500 men in a small area all shooting at each other, no one's going to know where you are. I mean, it's going to definitely, especially if there's other gunshots going on that are unsuppressed. Now that's where suppressors change things a bit because, yeah, it can be super disorienting. Combat is already crazy and stressful and chaotic, especially when you look at the type of combat that's happening in Ukraine right now. Ok, and those guys are, you know, they're hemming each other up big time and a lot of those guys are not using suppressors. Some of them are. So if there's some sustained firefight between a few hundred guys on either side and they're, I don't know, guarding a road or they're doing whatever they're doing, whatever objective of each other's that they're trying to take and or defend, or both. Right, if some gunfire breaks out, especially with a Dishka or some sort of a RPK or RPD or some machine gun, you can absolutely mask the location and sound of the shooter, especially when they're laying in the prone with a suppressor. That's when someone with a suppressor is going to absolutely have a leg up on everything going on around them.
Speaker 1:When there's chaos going on. You know there are documented situations in, like the battle for Stalingrad and everything. Like you look at World War II, I mean, yeah, there were situations where bombs are falling all over the place, and do those snipers have suppressors? No, they don't. Now there were some limited suppressor use but generally speaking, most of them did not.
Speaker 1:And Russia had a bunch of snipers in the war. They trained snipers To them. It was like they had this sort of mass-produced sniper mentality for them. So they had a mass-produced sniper rifle with a mass-produced optic and they made as many of those as they could and put those in the hands of a lot of people who showed a decent amount of shooting skill prowess. And, yeah, when a bomb would drop and you hear that huge explosion, you're not going to hear a rifle shot over that bomb, but you'd have to have your composure in that moment to think, okay, a bomb's dropping, kaboom. And there's a lot of that going on, like when artillery shell would hit a sniper would fire yep to cover the sound of the report of the rifle, which is a really smart tactic and that's I mean.
Speaker 2:America pretty much mimicked that with the designated marksman program. They just took the guys that you know know were you know better shots maybe, like you know, qualify 40 out of 40, you know, you're not quite, you know, they don't have any sniper school slots.
Speaker 2:So they're like, hey man, let's just send you to DMR school. Or here's a DMR, let's do like you go to a little DMR camp, you know, and they, they put that little accurized rifle in the hands of someone that's a little bit more capable, uh, smarter, than the average bear per se, you know, and then like, let them, let them have it. So that's how you see guys running around with dmrs, because you know they were just a little bit better, they're able to utilize that, that accurized rifle a little bit.
Speaker 1:If a guy is is qualifying on his rifle in the military and I don't know you're qualifying on an m4 right 14 and a half inch barrel m. Know you're qualifying on an M4, right 14 and a half inch barrel M4, and you're making shots out to. You know, I think now it's 500, isn't it the shootout two? The Marines still do.
Speaker 2:Marines shoot at 500. They were the ones that shoot to 500 all the time. Army's always shot to 300. Right, but it's not the same as it used to be. We qualify with iron sights they're using uh these guys now are using like ccos, like acogs, like come on, man, you can't, you can hit a three, you can hit anything at 300 meters with an acog yeah freaking yeah well to compare like 20 years ago when he and I were, you know, involved in military stuff.
Speaker 1:You know, if you could qualify iron sights with an M4 and shoot 40 out of 40, and you take that same soldier and give them a 20-inch M16A4 with an ACOG on it, oh my God, they could absolutely slay with that thing.
Speaker 1:That's a wrap man yeah it totally can shoot out to 500 or 600 without even thinking about it and with just a little bit of basic training you've got someone who, yeah, they may not be a sniper, but dang, if they're not capable enough to defend you at a little bit more standoff range that a rifleman would typically be shooting, which which is great.
Speaker 1:And I guess that is another common misconception. When we look at Hollywood specifically and even this goes into the media as well where you know every time all right, how many times on on the news have seen some bolt-action hunting rifle show up in a crime scene or something and they say, oh, it's a sniper rifle just because a bolt-action gun has a scope on it. Oh, it's not a hunting rifle, it's a sniper rifle. They always want to make it out that every person who owns a gun like that is some sort of sniper or has some ill intent. And again it's about sort of misrepresenting what the intention of the of the tool is and the intention and assuming the attention of the user who has it Right, because, oh no, a hunter is harmless, but a sniper? Oh no, snipers don't kill animals, they shoot people and the media they always love anytime there's a bolt action hunting rifle.
Speaker 1:They always say sniper rifle. It's just a misconception. The media doesn. They always love anytime there's a bolt-action hunting rifle.
Speaker 2:They always say sniper rifle. It's just a misconception. The media doesn't even realize that snipers are hunters. They were hunting snipes.
Speaker 1:That's where it came from.
Speaker 2:They were literally Scottish hunters that went out and hunted snipes, elusive birds. So by calling them snipers, they are in fact calling them hunters. Right, but just a different kind of prey, exactly the two-legged game well, yeah, and you know.
Speaker 1:So there's all those sort of misconceptions like that, and, and I'll tell you, um, the media is really the worst one. I mean, how many times in the media have you seen where they will show, they'll cut a video from youtube or something that'll show a shotgun slug hitting a watermelon and of course it just completely evaporates this freaking watermelon, right, but they don't show when the camera zooms out and it's a shotgun. They just cut it there and go oh, look at the destructive damage of the AR-15. But now, don't get me wrong, an AR will still do a number on a watermelon, don't get me wrong. But it't look like a 12-gauge shotgun slug hit that. So it's like they always want to blow out of proportion the power of certain guns just to demonize a certain type of firearm that their handlers don't want them to be okay with, and they want to change a public opinion about those types of guns. That's the thing. It's all in an effort to change public opinion.
Speaker 2:And that types of guns. You know, that's the thing. It's all in an effort to change public opinion. And that's the craziest thing when people, when that's the craziest thing when they, when you see those videos, eric and they're like, oh, this is what happens, and you're like that five, five, six, or that two, two, three isn't, isn't gonna do that much damage to a water balloon. You're gonna see like a hole and the back side might be blown out, but it's going to explode you know, it's just crazy to hear that.
Speaker 2:You know they think this is this weapon, does so much damage and like, in fact it doesn't um one. So I wanted to back up real quick. Talking about um, you know the short act. It's going to be a glorious day when you can walk into a gun store and pick up a Fostech Origin you know AOW, with a salvo suppressor at the same time, and walk out and just have this freaking crazy compact. You know hell raiser, because I mean, could you imagine someone kicking in your door and you got a Fostech Origin with a drum mag and a salvo? Oh my God.
Speaker 1:So some interesting things about the AOWs that we'll just kind of talk about briefly before we get into some of these other myths and misconceptions. So AOWs, they have a weight requirement. That's part of it. Like you guys, some of you may not remember or know about it, but like when the Korean company Daewoo, they were bringing in a bunch of really cool guns like the K2 and also the civilian version which is called the DR200. And they're great. The K2 is a great service rifle and I would pit it against an AR any day. They're great. But they also had a shotgun that they brought in as well, the Daewoo shotgun was a South.
Speaker 1:Korean shotgun with this crazy drum magazine.
Speaker 1:Bipod yeah bipod, like it was the coolest thing. But they wound up changing some of the laws around and they couldn't bring those Daewoo shotguns anymore because they weighed a certain amount. So they ended up determining that any gun that weighs over a certain amount is now an AOW or destructive device or something like that. So they did that on purpose. At the time. This law was purposely authored in the way that it was, or at least their view of it was changed in the way that it was, in order to prevent certain types of guns from finding their way over to America, like the Daewoo's, and I think the Street Sweeper was another gun that they tried to outlaw.
Speaker 1:The Street Sweeper because it was so heavy, yeah, and the whole idea is that because it's heavy, I guess it cuts down on recoil, but in their mind, oh, it's heavy because it holds a lot of shots. It's a drum magazine or something like that. So you'd mentioned the origin. Okay, yeah, I know David personally. He's a really good guy and I know the whole team over at Fostech and they're really great people. I've been up to their factory in Indiana I think they're Seymour, indiana Really great group of people and really, really awesome folks and they really love what they do, but they were running into a lot of challenges getting the Origin to be a gun that they could actually sell just as a shotgun to the public and it not fall into that destructive device category, or where was it?
Speaker 1:Either AOW or destructive device category. The reason that they were having so much trouble is they had to put a lot of thought into lightening that gun up to get it light enough to not be considered in that category to make it an NFA item. And that includes, like, they had to skeletonize the drum magazines. They had to, you know, skeletonize as many parts as they could. They had to put lightning cuts. They had to, you know, use polymer furniture and polymer, you know, parts in some locations to cut down on the weight. So now that all of this crap is out of the way, if the short act goes through, I would imagine that David will probably make some changes to the origin and beef up a few things. It might be a little heavier, but it also might be a little more rugged as well, a little more bomb-proof.
Speaker 2:I mean the gun looks sick, man. I mean because they had to do so many lightning cuts and because they had to skeletonize it, that gave you that Space Marine bolter look.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh man, that thing is nasty, it does kind of have that look it does.
Speaker 2:It's like very, it's very like rectangular square, Like.
Speaker 1:I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:It has that look, but it is heavy Not going to lie Like you. You gotta be a man to tote that thing around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do like the Origin and it's a fantastic shotgun and I do like shotguns in general, I think. For me, I've always really liked auto-loading shotguns because just the amount of payload that you can deliver on target. They are fantastic in that role Especially that specific shotgun, I mean that thing.
Speaker 2:You'll just put freaking a drum of double a buck on somebody in like what, like four seconds you could unload an entire drum. It's like oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there are so many myths and misconceptions and I know we've touched on some of the ones that you know the media is just so bad about, you know, trying to create this chicken little complex about everything gun related, right? Trying to create this chicken little complex about everything gun related, right? Whether it's misrepresenting what type of damage a gun does, misrepresenting the use of suppressors, demonizing black rifles such as AKs and ARs, there seems to be an agenda with the media in trying to paint a very negative light around these types of items. And those are all very common misconceptions that, unfortunately, the public really falls for that a lot. And you know, politics are downstream from culture and culture is downstream from perception. And when perceptions are changed in such a way, you know, obviously our media has a lot to do with that because people listen to the media.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, now in recent years, I think the media has been under a lot more scrutiny than what they have in the past and they have a lot more difficult burden of proof to prove some of the things they say. But it doesn't mean that there aren't people who you know they eat up whatever narrative that they can have. Okay, but Hollywood is in the same boat and I know you've seen many movies where you know firearms are misrepresented and of course it changes people's perception on them. We talked about how you know secret agents in movies and snipers in movies, and there's a lot of really funny things that you see in some sniper movies too, like scopes mounted backwards and you know absolutely looney tunes crap that like no sniper would use a rifle like that or a rig like that.
Speaker 1:But you can tell for the production they were kind of short on money and they have to just get whatever cheap gun they can. In fact there was one movie with oh my God, I can't remember the guy's name. It was one of those 80s kind of action stars but he had an air gun. You could totally tell it was just like an air rifle with like a little cheesy scope on it and that's his gun.
Speaker 1:He was a sniper in that movie, you know, and and I mean they got away with that because it's like sometimes the facts are secondary to the entertainment. So that's another reason there are so many misconceptions, primarily from hollywood. They get, sounds wrong, they get. I'm sure you've seen so many situations where they don't change magazines and it's like it's a never-ending mag boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You never see them reload like commando right like commando. It's like for one. Where are those mags on him?
Speaker 2:yep where's he carrying? He's wearing no shirt. He's got one magazine in the gun.
Speaker 1:Where are the reloads? So it paints a misconception, hollywood paints a misconception that guns can shoot forever and have unlimited ammo. And, of course, what do you see the people doing in these movies? And Commando, what does he do? He proceeds to just lay waste to everyone he sees. So people have this misconception that, oh well, when a person's got a gun, they're going to be on a bloodbath, a blood spree, a killing spree. So those misconceptions are, you know, on the fault of Hollywood as well and unfortunately, you know, culture is downstream from those perceptions and ultimately, so are the political things that we have to deal with, such as laws, things that we have to deal with, such as laws. And you know what, what type of appetite people actually have for gun control. As we know, it is directly, you know, dependent and, and you know, at fault of hollywood and the media this is true.
Speaker 2:I mean that media plays its part. You know the general public plays its part as well, because they they as much as you know us as consumers, as movie consumers, enjoy watching the movie for entertainment. We also are susceptible to not speaking out and not standing up for what's going on because we want entertainment Like oh yeah, the Matrix, great movie. It was very entertaining. Was it Hollywood accurate? Maybe the lobby scene? That was fairly accurate on round count because you would actually see him throw the guns away. So he has the OG one scorpions, which I thought was kind of cool. So, like the original scorpions, he runs out those 30 rounds real quick, throws them, pulls out the MP5Ks, runs those out real quick. He doesn't even change magazines, he just throws them, goes and grabs two more. I was like, okay, we're kind of accurate here on round count, but that's about it.
Speaker 1:That's what we call a New York reload.
Speaker 2:Yes, the New York reload.
Speaker 1:That's a New York reload, throw it away, grab another one yep so we got to the, the media, misconceptions and myths.
Speaker 2:From a personal, this is one that's always bugged me. I'm gonna bring up one that's always bugged me and I and I and I do my best to tell people this, because there's two camps. There's the people that they're like, oh, I want to carry a revolver, like, okay, there's nothing wrong with carrying a revolver, revolvers are cool, they'll get the job done. But then you ask them why? Like why do you want to carry revolver? And they say because they're more reliable. They never fail. And I'm like I don't know if that's entirely true, because they do fail. But when they do fail it's catastrophic, like there's no coming back from it. You know, it's not like you can't just slap, tap and rack a revolver and get it back into action. It's like when you pull the trigger, nothing happens on a revolver. You're toast.
Speaker 1:Yes, nothing's probably going to happen, no matter what you do. Yep, I will say this I do believe in that. I believe that you know, people do sometimes place a little bit too much faith in a revolver being completely bomb-proof. Now guys, look, don't get me wrong. Revolvers are tremendously reliable and I can count the issues that I've had on a revolver. I mean, maybe one time that I had a bad hand load that wasn't crimped all the way and the bullet offset back in the cylinder and locked the cylinder up. But that was a hand loading issue, not the issue with a gun. So, okay, yeah, can the crimp come undone and the bullets have a bit of offset and prevent the cylinder from rotating? Yes, Can you have a squib and get a stuck round in the barrel? Well, you can. You have a squib and get a stuck round in the barrel? Well, you can do that with a nine millimeter auto loader, can't you? Yes, so the same thing it could deadline your auto loader can also deadline your revolver. So that's not uniquely special to revolvers. So we can't really say that.
Speaker 1:What is the one, maybe a few specific issues that a revolver only can have, that auto loaderader can't. Can an autoloader break a firing pin or snap a spring of some sort that could cause it not to run properly or bust a striker. Of course it can. Anything can break. Anything that's man-made can and will break, and it can. So that's not unique to just a revolver.
Speaker 1:What are revolver-specific issues that only a revolver would experience? To stop it up over an autoloader? That would not apply to an autoloader. Well, one would be the offset of the projectile, keeping the cylinder from rotating. What happens when a projectile is offset in an autoloader? Well, it really can't, because through the firing sequence of an autoloader, let's say that a round chamber's in your 9mm and the bullet is a little loose in the case and it goes forward a little bit. As long as it's still sticking in the mouth of the case, enough to build pressure. When you fire the gun, it's just going to shoot like you didn't even know anything happened. Now, okay, the gun might short stroke, it might have less velocity, but that bullet probably, unless it didn't just fall apart in the chamber when the gun loaded itself the bullet's going to leave the barrel and the gun will probably cycle on its own. So autoloaders have a way of self-correcting in a way that that revolver cannot do so.
Speaker 1:That revolver has a unique stoppage that can only happen to a revolver. That can't happen in an autoloader. And if it does happen in an autoloader it's easily correctable by just tap, rack, observe and continue shooting, all right. What is another specific stoppage that only a revolver can have that an autoloader can't? Well, one. Is the lock on the cylinder? All right? An auto loader can't? Well, one is the. Is the lock on the cylinder all right? There's like a little bitty hand that pops up that holds that cylinder in time and holds it, uh, steady while the the gun's being fired. That lock can break. Now the gun's deadlined, right. What happens when you take a revolver?
Speaker 2:you open the cylinder and go and you spin it and then go bam and close it, and then all that mass stops against that bolt.
Speaker 1:What if it breaks? What if it's compromised? What if it has some sort of a burr that you don't really know about? So, yes, revolvers are very reliable, but they are not without their potential faults, and I would say some faults that might only be unique to them, that don't even affect an auto loader. Yep, I would say auto loaders are very reliable and in a situation where an auto loader does not work, it could potentially be the same situation that would down a deadline or a wheel gun. Anyway, True.
Speaker 1:So I don't really buy it. When someone says, well, I want a revolver because it's more reliable, I don't know if you're necessarily choosing a revolver because of its reliability or if you're choosing revolver because it's light and handy and compact and concealable, I would say a J frame Smith yes is great for that. If my argument between revolver and pistol was that reliability was an issue, well, I don't think that's a good enough. Example. I would argue that a J-frame hides on the body quite well, because it's got no hammer as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything's nice and compact, there's nothing that can snag on your clothing, there's no external hammer. So the argument of wheel gun versus auto loader, you know that's a, that's a very, you know, you know, hotly debated topic between people. But but I think once you see what actually, you know deadlines, a wheel gun and a and a and a auto loader versus what doesn't, I think you quickly begin to see that it's probably more semantics.
Speaker 2:And I think a lot of people. You know they base their purchase off of the myths that we're talking about. So they might this person might go and say hey, I heard you know a revolver is more uh, you know, reliable. So I want to purchase a revolver and, like you said, it might not necessarily be the case. I would even argue that I would feel more if you took two guns one was a revolver, one was an autoloader and you took them about 25 feet in the air and you just dropped them on the ground. I personally would feel more confident that the autoloader would. You could pick that up and fire it over the revolver. I'm certain something on that revolver broke, like inside, whether it's knocked out of time, whether you know the lock on it broke. That's just me personally. I would feel much more comfortable, like saying I'm going to grab this, you know, semi-auto auto loader and it's going to do the job. What if you drop a SIG P320? Different story, different story. I've got one.
Speaker 1:Look, we can just throw it right here on the floor right now.
Speaker 2:No, oh, you're so confident, matt, you're so confident Anything, but that so quickly?
Speaker 1:Well, all right. Is the reliability of the SIG M17, the SIG P365, all right? Is that something that's blown out of proportion Just because a few, let's say a few soldiers and officers dropped their pistol and it discharged? Well, it's obviously an issue SIG I don't want to say that they've been forthcoming or not forthcoming about the issue. Quite frankly, I haven't really looked into it so I don't know how they're handling it, but I would say that, knowing a company like SIG, I would be willing to bet they're probably just making rolling changes.
Speaker 1:You know like if they identified you know they identified the potential problem that could cause it to do that right, and do you think for one second they're going to come out and go? Well, this gun, within the serial number range, can do X, y, z. They may have done that, but it seems to me that what most companies would likely do is go over to the engineering department and go hey, bobby, come over here for a second, change this right now and don't tell anybody. You know like they're going to fix the issue, but I think they're going to kind of like be quiet about it. So remember, early on, when the Sig P365 came out, matt actually helped me film.
Speaker 1:He did some shooting as well, when we did sort of a little thousand round torture test just to see if we could get the Sig P365 to stop in some way, whether you know it be from some potential issues or or primer drag. At one point there was a little bit of primer swipe that was occurring on some of the P365s and it seemed to give people the idea that possibly it could cause some stoppages. And I know Tim at Military Arms Channel tested it. We tested it, you and I shot a thousand rounds. I think the only issues that we have were just the grip, you know, maybe causing the slide not to go all the way. That was just a manual of arms issue, but in terms of the gun itself actually choking, I couldn't. I didn't really feel like we could produce any stoppages that were related to that particular issue.
Speaker 2:No, you're correct, that was just, you know, self-induced. You know if it was a stoppage, it was a self-induced stoppage, Right?
Speaker 1:And it happens. Yep, it happens.
Speaker 2:But I mean, yeah, I think that Sig, you know, I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't, I don't own any Sigs Um, I don't carry Sig. So for me I don't keep up, I don't stay on top of it. You know, like most people do, that are kind of invested in that ecosystem of of Sigs. What I can tell you is they did I've seen reports that they they changed their, uh, their manual of arms. So basically they said you can't, you're not supposed to carry in condition one. So they're saying, hey, these, these guns are not designed to carry in condition one, carry condition zero. And for you guys it's like you know, one in the chamber, one not in the chamber. So they're they're directing people that own these three twenties to carry in condition zero so that these accidental discharges aren't happening. So I guess, in their opinion, if you just take the round out of the chamber, there's nothing to go off.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what I'm going to do. All right, this is my M17. What I'm going to do is I'm going to take some primed brass All right, no powder, no projectile. I'll make a separate YouTube video and I'm going to attempt to induce some unintended primer hits. Okay Now, with maybe some specific taps from a hammer in a few locations.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'm going to go throw my pistol around, because this is one of my carry guns. I don't want to screw it up too much, but I guess if I mess it up, I can call Wilson Combat and get a new grip module. This is their aftermarket grip module that they make for the M17, and I like it a lot. It's got some good texture and this is not necessarily a plug for them, but heck, I guess it can be. Look, it's great. So Wilson Combat does make this grip module, and one of the neat things about the SIG m17, m18, 320 series of pistols is that the serial number component is actually just this internal chassis. It's like a trigger group assembly and that is a serial number component, so I can change out slides and barrels and grips and all sorts of goodies on this thing and the serial number location is just a grip module, the fire control module.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can change the frame to a bigger frame to a smaller frame.
Speaker 1:So in light of that, I mean okay, so have some of the M17s and some of the P320s had some issues. I'm not going to say those issues aren't valid or that they didn't happen. Of course they happened. They were, you know, acknowledged issues. But I love my M17. This gun shoots fantastic. It's a really great gun and you know I can't say that I've ever had an issue out of it. But hey, I will do a video and try to induce a problem out of this gun. There you go, kermit. Kermit is pistol back.
Speaker 2:And the Kathy Barra.
Speaker 1:Kermit Kermit is pistol back. And the Kathy Barra, yeah, and the Kathy Barra. So when we're getting on to more of the misconceptions that individuals have, right, we kind of talked about the media, we talked about Hollywood, and now this is just like people's general stupidity, right? And some of these areas are certainly, you know, points that are worth considering, because if someone, a story doesn't start from just anywhere right, A story has to start from somewhere.
Speaker 1:If a rumor mill gets floating around about a gun that has a specific type of problem or issue or quirk or tendency, it has to have some kernel of truth. It had to happen to somebody, right? This one's related to hunting and this goes back to my grandpa, and a lot of people that I know also would clean their guns with WD-40 all the time. What happens? Someone cleans their gun with WD-40. They spray the action and barrel and all sort of crap down and what do they do? They put it. You know, when someone puts a gun in the closet, they're going to put buttstock down, muzzle up and it's going to lay it in the closet, right? What happens to all that oil?
Speaker 2:Goes back into the action.
Speaker 1:Right, it drips back and it works its way down. It doesn't stay where you put it, it works its way down. And then what happens? Once it hits the wood, it soaks the wood. Yep, oil soak in the wood all right now. Imagine doing that over a 10-year period. What's going to happen to that stock? Probably going to be have some structural integrity. That's that's compromised over time. You're going to have some damage, oil damage oil soak right, I could see that.
Speaker 1:Those Remington 7400s and 7600s that got in the 760s and 740s. They got a really bad rap right. Remington had such a problem with that rifle, not because that the gun wasn't good, but because people wouldn't care for the gun properly. So again, that's one of those misconceptions that got thrown around. Oh, those 748 Woodsmasters are such garbage 30-06s, you know. So. It was an auto-loading 30-06 with a five-round magazine, so just a basic hunting rifle. But it was a semi-auto and those guns began to get a horrible rap.
Speaker 1:They made them in 270. They made them in .270. They made them in .30-06, and I think they might have had some. They did in .308 for a while, but most of them were chambered in .30-06, and they'd had some revisions and tried to change a gun around a little bit and improve it, but it just wound up not being successful. That's one of those examples where it's not because the gun wasn't a decent gun. When they're sprung well and cared for properly and lubricated properly and you take care of them and feed them good ammo, they work just fine. But people would just be lazy in the care of the gun and then the gun took the rap for the lack of maintenance and care that someone just wasn't willing. It's a little bit complicated of a gun to take apart and feel stripped and clean. So what would people do? They would lock the bolt to the rear and spray an old can of oil in there and shake it out. All right, we're good to go Laziness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you asked that about the wood furniture getting damaged, I was thinking I'm like I don't agree with that because I think that if you maintain your weapon and you're you're doing it regularly you would catch that. It's the guys that like leave it in there for years and like never touch it. Why are it is causing that?
Speaker 1:issue. Well, and then and then with wd-40. What happens is if you spray a lot of wd-40, eventually what will happen, is it? I don't want to say that it like evaporates off. It doesn doesn't, but it doesn't quite stay put in the way that people think it does. It will varnish after a while. It will leave like a kind of sticky varnish behind if it's left on there for a long time, like you spray WD-40 on a part and then just leave it for a year and you don't ever mess with it again. It's almost like that oil sort of congeals into, like almost like a faux cosmoline yeah, now imagine how good that gun's gonna work when you pull it out.
Speaker 1:Probably not right like okay well, the answer is more wd-40 just keep spraying it down and then just that's the rinse and repeat the way that the bolt on that rifle locks up.
Speaker 1:It uses this is kind of weird fine interrupted thread. That's like it's not a buttress thread, but it's like the way that that bolt locks up. It has a very specific type of lock mechanism for the bolt. That requires very little rotational axis but it has a lot of areas of contact over the entire surface of the bolt that as it locks up, it has to lock into these tiny little grooves very precisely. It's a precise lockup but they are able to make the throw of the bolt much shorter.
Speaker 1:So if you get a little rust or crud or gunk on those threads, the gun ain't going to run right. So the gun ended up getting a bad reputation, not because it wasn't a good gun, but because people didn't care for it properly. So that's one of those examples. And the same thing. You know, really, those Ruger Deerfield carbines, the 44 mag semi-auto carbines same thing, same thing. Those guns got a bad reputation for being unreliable and being, you know, jam-o-matics, simply because people did not understand the proper protocols for maintenance. Another good example of a gun that fell into that type of issue is the Remington 1100. The Remington 1100 shotgun. People hate them to this day, they have a very specific protocol for maintenance that no one ever does properly. I believe it.
Speaker 1:I believe it so they get a reputation for not being good, but it's not because it's not a good shotgun, it's because you don't care for does properly. I believe it. I believe it. So they get a reputation for not being good, but that's not because it's not a good shotgun, it's because you don't care for it properly. 90% of issues you have out of a Remington 1100 are related to failure in the maintenance protocol, nothing more.
Speaker 2:Well, think about, you know, all the other firearms that they have to dumb down because people don't want to either do maintenance or they don't want to go through a certain sequence to do stuff. Like you know, ars like 90 of them are over gassed because people they know they're not going to go through and select the right ammo. They're going to like I'm just going to throw in this wolf, I'm just going to do whatever I need to do, and so they have to over gas it, so it's reliable. So then they complain I'm getting gas. I'm like all this gas is getting thrown back in my face. It's like throwing. You know ammo everybody's like unreliable. It's like same thing they've learned early on. They can't do, uh, you know nice, you can't give people nice things. You have to give them to the masses. It's like you can't give somebody a nice smooth action uh, what was like the mauser glass actions and like you can't do that anymore. Like they people don't appreciate it.
Speaker 1:They're like they just want what works yeah, the sort of like industrial reliability that that is, you know, kind of made rough on purpose so that it can't really fail like past the point of failure. In fact I'm looking at rifle over your shoulder right now, the Ruger American. I like the Ruger American series of rifles. They're great, okay. But in that same vein, is it a nice M77 Mark II like your Alt 6? No, they're much more crude Now. They are cheaper. They cost less than half the money of what one of those M77s cost. Ruger still makes the M77 today, but it's called the Hawkeye. They changed the name of it. That's not because the old M77 Mark II all-weathers were not good guns. They're in fact some of the best guns that Ruger ever made and I recently went through and I got rid of some of mine. I had a large collection of them and I've sold several of them, but I only kept one in my collection and I kept my 9.3x62.
Speaker 1:It's right over there actually to your side, right there with the green sling on it. I love that gun. It is an absolute jackhammer. But the point is, I suppose, that the Ruger American is kind of like that, like you mentioned, where it's kind of crude and basic but it's functional.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'll work.
Speaker 1:It does the job. It does the job. You know. Polymer stock, a little bit more simple bolt mechanism, I think it has like a basic pin-in barrel kind of almost like a Savage-style barrel system. It makes it real easy to manufacture. You know, it's just a more affordable rifle. There's nothing wrong with a rifle being affordable. But anyway, you're completely right on that. There are so many freaking myths and misconceptions that we could go over. I mean this video could take hours of going through every little story and thing that we heard over the years. I mean everything from people throwing ammunition in fires, like what ammo does when you throw in a fire. There's a lot of myths and misconceptions about what happens when you throw ammo in a fire.
Speaker 2:What happens.
Speaker 1:You know, I've never has anyone ever thrown.
Speaker 2:I've never done it. I've never been dumb enough to do it.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's like that's all right, I know some of y'all had some crazy uncle who, accidentally, y'all were out shooting and you had a big bonfire going or something at the camp and he accidentally threw a box of .22 ammo in the fire, thinking it was empty and there might have been a couple little handful left that he didn't realize was in there. What happens to those things? Yeah, they're going to go off. That powder is going to ignite. They're going to go off. What part of a bullet? All right. When, when a piece of ammunition is in a fire, what's the projectile?
Speaker 2:is it? The projectile well, I'm now that you're walking us through this. I understand where this is going. What hurts you. Well, if are we talking the projectile in the chamber or are we talking projectile in the fire.
Speaker 1:I'm talking you take ammo and you throw it in a fire. That ammo is going to go off that's going to hurt you the casing.
Speaker 2:What's going to come flying out of the fire and hurt you?
Speaker 1:probably the casing, the casing yeah, because it's simple physics yeah I just realize projectile weighs more than the brass. All All right. That is not a contained situation where the pressure is being contained by a chamber that then pushes the bullet, the heavier object, through the barrel with the expanding gases. No, the bullet stays relatively put. It's the weirdest thing. If you were to film a burning bullet going off, the projectile is not going to really go too far. The case becomes a projectile.
Speaker 1:Yep, I believe you have like pieces of brass shooting out of the fire at some pretty good speeds now. Now is it fast enough to kill you? Maybe not, but it could leave a mark. It could hurt. I mean a 22, maybe not so much, but you better believe a 50 cow or some nine mil or five, five, six, that brass is coming out of there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now it makes sense Anything where the projectile weighs more than the brass that brass coming out of the fire. And don't ask me how I know. I mean I've had some unintended situations where that's happened before. So many things like that. I could tell so many stories about some of the goofy, dumb, harebrained things that happened at Deer Camp over the years.
Speaker 1:And alcohol was not involved, I promise. Okay, I'm not suggesting that we would get drunk and do dumb things or whatever, but I will say that some of the stories you hear about Deer Camp from people related to guns probably had a little bit of lubrication involved. Okay, Some alcohol was probably involved in order for people to you know things like barrel obstructions. I could tell so many stories, so let us know down in the comment section below what are some of the craziest misconceptions and myths or just crazy stories that you've heard about guns over the years. What happened to somebody you know? Did they have a weird barrel obstruction? Did something wild happen? And it's like so outrageous you can't believe it's true.
Speaker 2:And I know we didn't even scratch the surface on all of the myths. This is just what we had time for, guys. I'm positive we will work around again and we're going to have a lot of different other stuff like myths and stuff.
Speaker 1:Know, stuff that we can talk about, yeah, but let us know in the comment section down below, what's the craziest thing that you've ever heard about guns, whether it's a myth or misconception or just a crazy story. Let me know, and if we get a large enough collection of these stories and things, maybe we'll compile an episode and we'll read some of your stories and react to them. How, how about that?
Speaker 2:That's right, that'd be fun. That's a good idea.
Speaker 1:We have so much more on the way. I know today's show we kind of bounce all over the place, but I wanted to go over. I think really the worst culprit is that sort of complex of the media and Hollywood and the way they misrepresent gun owners and especially they do it in such a conniving and evil way to purposely paint a bad picture against gun owners and to move the political narrative of guns. I think that's really the most egregious thing that's being done and it's less effective now than it was years ago. I would agree with that. But it's certainly something that I think people need to be aware of that they're always going to try to make gun owners look bad. They're going to make guns look bad. They're going to demonize the idea of owning a gun and, um, I think that's really what I wanted to portray in today's show for sure.
Speaker 2:I think you mission accomplished, man. You got anything else for him today? No, man, I think. Uh, I think it was a great conversation. We hit on, you know, at least two or three of the myths, that, at least the biggest one that bothered me, and obviously, with the short act coming up, like that was definitely something that we needed to discuss, just because it kind of scratched two inches. It was like hey, we need to talk about that. We also need to talk about you know why, like the why behind the why.
Speaker 1:I agree, there's always a why behind the why. That's right and, believe me, they're, they're not going to stop. They're always going to go out of their way. And I say they, the anti-gunners, and the media and Hollywood, you know they're always going to go out of their way to try to make gun owners look crazy and unfortunately, you know their media and their entertainment and all the things that they put forth is an effective tool for them to change the narrative a narrative on it. So just be mindful of that, guys. We have many more podcasts on the way, lots of cool stuff that we're doing. I've got a whole list here. I'm telling you some of these are some juicy podcast episodes.
Speaker 2:Some spicy stuff. Some of them are spicy.
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