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LLP #115: What If... You Can Only Have 5 Guns?
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What if you could only have five guns? It's the ultimate thought experiment for firearm enthusiasts that forces us to prioritize function over collection. In this deep-dive episode, Eric and Matt tackle this challenging scenario with practical wisdom gained from years of shooting experience.
The AR-15 quickly emerges as the unanimous first choice, praised for its versatility, parts availability, and sheer practicality in almost any scenario. "I would never want to be caught dead without a rifle," Matt explains, highlighting why this platform forms the foundation of any essential collection.
The hosts engage in passionate debate about the merits of various handguns for the second slot, with the Glock 19X receiving high praise for reliability while custom options from Zev and Sig offer enhanced performance features. Their show-and-tell segments bring these discussions to life as they handle and compare their personal favorites.
When the conversation shifts to shotguns, both agree on their devastating effectiveness. "You don't have to be a surgeon to use it," Matt notes about the Benelli platforms they favor. Their discussion reveals fascinating insights about different shotgun configurations, ammunition types, and tactical applications that even experienced shooters will find valuable.
The episode balances practical considerations with philosophical discussions about firearms rights. "The Second Amendment is about options," Eric reminds listeners, pushing back against those who question the need for certain types of firearms in private collections. Throughout the conversation, their expertise shines through whether discussing the subtle differences between hunting rifles and battle rifles or debating the merits of suppressed rimfire options versus pistol caliber carbines.
What would make your top five list? Join the conversation and share your essential firearms choices with Eric and Matt!
YouTube Video Links:
How to Choose Your First Handgun
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Perfect Pairs
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Welcome back everybody. This is Eric and Matt and this is Life, Liberty and the Pursuit, your beacon of freedom and the American way of life. Tune in every Monday for a new episode as we dive into the world of liberty and what makes our country great.
Speaker 2:Welcome back everybody. This is Eric and Matt here with LLP, and I hope you've all had a great week. You're home for everything normal in a world of craziness, debauchery, ugliness and downright sin Guns. Welcome back, heck. Yeah, llp is back, baby, and we are rolling Today we are going to be discussing All right, when you're thinking about this subject, this is a really cool one for us to just dive into the weeds on.
Speaker 2:We got a whole hour to discuss this Kind of a long form Five Gun guns video, if you will. However, not quite so much. But what if you could only have five guns? You are limited to five. You can only have five. What would you choose? Why? What would be the thought process for why you chose those five? I've done some similar videos to this in the past, like maybe um, you know, in more short form, but this is really more of a just a long form discussion and like we'll really dive in the weeds about these choices why you would choose these five. What you? What would you need five for? I know there's probably a lot of Europeans and people around the world that might be, you know, listening to this podcast or watching me and thinking, wow, why would you even need five to begin. Some people may think that five is a lot, but most Americans own a scary statistic.
Speaker 3:If you're European, but it's like a seven to one ratio of guns to people in America. So for every one person there are seven guns right, something like that. But then there's the outliers Cause there's people that own a lot more than others Right, and there's some that own none Exactly.
Speaker 2:You know, from the standpoint of this being a talking point, if you could only own five, I mean, how would you begin to decide what that five would be? Well, I think the first obvious thing to think about is a purpose. You know, a firearm. If you're only going to have a small amount of firearms, they need to be purpose driven. So purpose is definitely something to consider. Well, what kind of purposes would we be talking about? Well, everyone's purposes are going to be a little bit different. Obviously, there might be someone that all they like to do is shoot small bore 22s, and that's all they want to do is maybe shoot air rifles. So maybe they want five air guns or 522s.
Speaker 2:But for the purposes of this podcast today and today's presentation, I'm going to really just approach this from my own personal view.
Speaker 2:You can choose to agree with me or not, all the people listening, but I'm going to really just look at this under the light of my personal needs.
Speaker 2:But I'll acknowledge that everyone's needs are going to be a little bit different in terms of what they want, and that might depend on where you live, maybe the laws and the state you live in, or maybe limitations of where you can and can't shoot the type of things you do. Maybe you hunt, maybe you don't, maybe you have more of a worry of being robbed or looted or you know broken into, et cetera, so on and so forth, and we'll talk about some of those factors that would you know broken into, et cetera, so on and so forth. And we'll talk about some of those factors that would you know kind of decide, like what type of gun that you would want to get. And I think maybe it's just important to kind of Matt break it down in terms of you know what the most basic intrinsic needs for a firearm would be for the widest group of people, what would apply to everyone the most, and you know I have an idea, but I want to know what you think what?
Speaker 2:what do you think most people? Okay, your opinion, just we're just floating this opinion here. What do you think most people?
Speaker 3:100. No, you know, there is no doubt an ar-15 okay 100 because it's so versatile.
Speaker 3:That would be my number one choice if you said hey, matt, what is the most important weapon out of your five? An ar-15. And I say that because it's extremely versatile. You can go I mean, if it was me, up to me, 10 and a half inch barrel, um, you have. It's long enough to get working out to about 300, 400. I'm confident that I can hit something at 300, 400 with a 10 and a half inch barrel um capacity round.
Speaker 3:It's easy to shoot. I mean five, five, six, two or slash two, two, three. It's easy to shoot. I mean five, five, six, two or slash two, two, three. Super easy to shoot Like men, women, children, not a problem.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, light recoil impulse ammo is plentiful. It's, you know, in the U S, so NATO based um inexpensive. You can get a really good AR 15 for not too much money and I know, understand that you know not a lot of money. That term is relative to each person, but you can get a good AR 15 for not a lot of money. Um, and that's just a fact that they're very versatile in how you can assemble them.
Speaker 3:Lots of parts available, lots of upgrades available. They're very modular. Let's say you want to change it out, you have lots of options on uppers and lowers, and if you want to reach out to a little bit longer distance, you can get a longer barrel, longer upper. If you, for some odd reason, want to go shorter, those options are available as well. But that's why I chose that as my number one and that and I'm extremely comfortable shooting it. We were like we grew up like in the military. I guess you put an ar in my hands and it's like an extension of my body, like just the way that you move with it. You understand like the balance of it, where it needs to go when you're moving. But yeah, that's my. That would be my choice.
Speaker 2:I think that's a fantastic choice and I would say that, you know, if I had to say, well, what if someone let's just let's dumb this down to being that, what if it could just be one gun, what would be your first choice? That would be my first choice. I would never want to be caught dead without a rifle.
Speaker 2:That's right, and and definitely, uh, you know, I'd want an auto loading rifle. Uh, you know, like an AR, something you know holds a decent amount of shots and I have quick magazine uh, change capacity, you know, and um, good parts support and parts availability and ammo availability All of those things are definitely achievable with AR and that's why it is such a popular gun, because of its cost and modularity and ease of use, and it is definitely a gun that is very easy to use for a wide set of people. It may have some limitations in how it can be used in personal defense in the home, you know, okay, are you going to carry an AR on your used in personal defense in the home? You know, okay, are you going to carry an ar on your hip to walk around in the grocery store? Probably not. So there are some limitations. There's no such thing as a free lunch anywhere in this equation, but I think that ar is definitely I think logically must be on that list, if not the top of the list.
Speaker 2:Now, when I do five guns videos, these guns are not necessarily always in order per se. In the situation of what we're discussing here, let's just say maybe they are. Let's say that the first choice is going to be our most important choice and then we will go down the rabbit hole to the least important. So we're going to go slightly off the standard protocol for five guns video and we are going to put these in order of importance. Okay, so I think that, uh, in celebration of of what he mentioned, yes, I think the AR is definitely something you don't want to get caught without, and the prices on them have been very reasonable. Um, you know companies like palmetto state armory uh, you know they've done a pretty good job of of making a very affordable gun, and you know there's a lot of good people out there which one of our sponsors today. We'll talk about them as well. They've got some great stuff going on too. Um, let's go ahead and give a shout out to our first sponsor now. This is a sponsor of the show that we've actually done some work with on the regular YouTube channel as well, and that is my Patriot Supply. You guys might remember we did a video where we did some taste testing on all of their different entrees and things that they offer, and they've got some great, you know, freeze-dried food and things, and it's got a long shelf life. So we'll uh, we'll have a chat about them. So I know you guys have heard me talk about my patriot supply because I trust them when it comes to my family's well-being, and I just got word that they're doing something they've never done before.
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Speaker 2:Anyway. So we're going to go on to the next gun and I'll sort of take over on this one. So, matt, you know he was completely correct when he mentioned the AR-15, because gosh who doesn't love a good AR? And it's just crazy Like the AR is so useful and so universally useful that it is logically always going to be the first thing that most people mention. You know, I would say, all right, in terms of the purpose of what you're looking to use a gun for or anything like that, I think I'm kind of torn between two and I, and this is going to be hard. This is a hard decision because we are going in order of importance. Okay, so you've gotten your.
Speaker 2:AR. What should be the next thing that you get? I mean, I would argue probably some sort of a handgun. Uh would be in the number two slot. It may not necessarily be what I would want. I would prefer, probably, to have a shotgun in number two. That's just me, but I'm kind of a homebody, you know, I'm home more often, I'm kind of a hermit, I don't really leave the house that much. So it's like, yeah, I would prefer another tool to defend the home with versus, you know, and I and I would find a shotgun more useful than a handgun. But if you're going out in public and you're going about your business and you're going about your daily life and you want to carry concealed or open, most people choose to carry concealed. But let's just say, however you're going to carry, if you're wanting to carry a gun on your person wherever you go, obviously a handgun is going to be very important. For the number two slot.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 2:Now there's a lot of different choices, of course. I've done entire 30 minute, 40 minute episodes where I'll talk nothing more than about, like handgun selection, like what type of handgun you should choose and some of the different action types and things. So there is a myriad of different options I mean hundreds, if not thousands, of different options for you to choose from when it comes to a potential carry gun. So I'm not going to try to necessarily dial those down and give you all the specifics here in this particular podcast, but I'll tell you what my choice would be. If I could only have one handgun, it'd probably be the Glock 19X. Just because you know I actually have one right here, I can grab it, the Glock 19X. Just because you know I actually have one right here, I can grab it. The Glock 19X, because this particular gun is. It's fantastic, I love this pistol and I think that if I could only have one handgun, my vote would definitely go to the Glock 19X. And again, are there guns that I'd like to shoot more than this? There are, there definitely are. Is this the my favorite gun to shoot? Like in terms of just a strictly shooting pleasure, like going out and just enjoying the, the, the, the act of going out and shooting. No, I'd rather have a single action. You know 1911, or you know maybe a nice Smith and Wesson revolver, like there's a lot of things. I'd rather just go out and shoot for the pure pleasure of going out to shoot, maybe even a nice rimfire pistol with a suppressor, which we'll get into that in a moment. But if I could only have one pistol, it would be this pistol. Um, it's accurate, it's reliable, it's got a great trigger, it holds a decent amount of ammo you can take. You know all of your 33 round mags. So if you have a PCC and nine millimeter that takes clock magazines, now you have a host gun that can take the same magazines. Of course, I've done a video called perfect pairs where I talk about combinations of pistol and PCC that go well together. If you haven't seen that video, you should definitely check it out. It's very informative.
Speaker 2:Okay, but that would be my vote. Sorry about that. I probably popped the mic there, but that would be my vote. Would be for the Glock 19X. I think this is one of Glock's best pistols. They really have done a fantastic job with this gun and, basically, if it looks a little different than what you normally see in a Glock. It's because it is it's kind of the mullet gun right. It's big in the rear and it's tiny up front. So you've got essentially a 19 slide on a 17 frame, so you get a full-size grip. You know full-size capacity. You know the grip is all the same, but just with a shorter slide. And there's something about this combination, especially that this 19X has night sights from the factory. For what this gun costs, I think it's a good value. And this is a non-cut model they do have. I believe they're making a 19X now that has RMR cut on it.
Speaker 2:I personally am not real big on red dots on handguns. However, it is a fantastic pistol. So the number two slot for me would be occupied by the Glock 19X, and that's a big vote for Glock on me. Now I do have a SIG M17. It's actually right here. Right here, I do have an m17. This one's in my battle belt so it might actually be hot. Yeah, it is okay. And uh, look, I like the m17. This is a fantastic gun. This one has the wilson combat grip module that's a good looking gun right there.
Speaker 2:It's a fantastic pistol and and look, this is the one that's on my battle belt. So I have my my 17 uh m17 sig on my battle belt. I could just as easily have my 19x on the battle belt. I love both these pistols, so I'd be happy with either one, but I would say if I could only choose one, I would still probably still prefer the 19x. I shoot this gun better than the glock, but anyway I mean it.
Speaker 3:It stands for something, for reliability, and I'm not saying sig is not, is a non-reliable gun. But glock does have a reputation for just eating everything. You know. Like it'll, it'll eat, it'll go. Uh, you don't have anything to worry about there. Um, I think that's a very wise choice. I think it's a great choice. It makes a lot of sense if you're just looking at it from a common sense standpoint. Um, you know, I would agree with you. I, yeah, let's do some show and tell and I, all right, glock based, so it's, it's a zev oc, oz9c compact.
Speaker 3:Unlike eric, I am a huge fan of red dots on firearms. Um, I love it. Um, this particular gun uh, again, glock based, it's just modified. Uh comes with the fiber optic sights. It was cut from the factory so we just dropped the. The hollow sun on there.
Speaker 3:Flared magwell. So when you start getting into this gun these types of guns like it just makes it more comfortable, you get a much better grip on the firearm. That flared magwell is twofold one, it makes it easier to put the mag in, but two, it gives you a much better grip on that handle when you get a good purchase on it boom, slide, cut serrations, lightning cuts we're going to use that term, you know, in quotes. I don't know how much lighter it actually makes it, but that's what they're referred to. Makes it, but that's what they're referred to. But most importantly is it takes Glock mags so they're interchangeable, but also it's Glock based, so the grip is going to be very similar.
Speaker 3:Now the main difference is what I like about this, as my second choice, along with you, is the chassis system, very similar to SIG. If you don't, you can go up and down in sizes. They have different sizes of the frame. The firearm is actually inside. You take it out, drop it in. You can get different sized frames. If you want a longer frame, if you want a larger frame, a larger handle, you can do all that good stuff. So it's very versatile. It is the AR of handguns.
Speaker 2:You know what's really interesting about that pistol. In my opinion, one of the coolest features about the pistols that's kind of unique Yep Is that the barrel has a left-hand twist. The bullets rotate in the opposite direction of what they normally would, so it has a left-hand twist. It is so it has a left-hand twist. It is interesting. It's a left-hand twist. It is interesting. The rifling moves to the left, not the right. Yep Weirdest thing. But it shoots great. I love that gun.
Speaker 3:I love it. It shoots very well. Never had any issues out of it. Never had any stoppages. It's great.
Speaker 2:It's stoppages, it's, it's great, it's a great gun. Since we're doing show and tell, all right, I've got another piece to show off, all right. Now, this is one I set aside just for the purposes of having a show and tell moment. Uh, this is a smith and wesson model 29 dx. I did some horse trading with chad and, uh, I wound up. That's a beautiful gun, but this is a 44 magnum, uh, with an eight inch barrel. Okay, so, uh, everything on this is good to go.
Speaker 2:We got a nice blued finish. And this is a 44 magnum, uh, with an eight inch barrel. Okay. So, uh, everything on this is good to go. We got a nice blued finish. And this is pre-performance center smith and wesson. So this is before smith and wesson had a performance center. Uh, this is when they would take a 29 off the line and go wow, this one shot really good, like this one, grouped, way better than a standard model, and they started to kind of put two and two together like wait a minute, some of these guns are coming together really fantastic. So they would mark them dx, deluxe, whatever you want to call it. Uh, but the 29 dx is really cool. That's a nice 44 magnum with a full under lug. This one has a lewapol vx2 on here. This one is a 4 to 28 uh, you know, extended eye relief pistol scope and boy, this one pits the ace. It is a fantastic pistol.
Speaker 3:You know what I appreciate about that is the full underlug. It really and I understand there's some vanity in this, but it really makes the gun look good. Man Like I know that the Performance Center .44 mag 44 mag that we use, the hunter, it's a great gun, shoots the daylight side of it, but it doesn't have a full length underlug so it just doesn't quite do it.
Speaker 2:I was like god, I want it to look good, but that gun I think that full, full underlug is cool too, because it also kind of offsets some of the recoil. Yep, the gun is a little heavier, but with that underlug I think it has an effect on the harmonics of the barrel. So I think the barrel vibrates less. So for one it helps with barrel harmonics, but two adds a little weight up front which kind of keeps the gun from kicking so hard.
Speaker 3:And I understand why they did it on that .44 Mag Hunter because they're assuming that you were trying to reduce weight. I mean, I understand your hunt did. Their purpose of that was like, if you're hiking through the backcountry you usually have a chest holster, which I do, but you're trying to be as light as possible, so they put a really great brake on the front of it. You got lots of extra stuff to reduce that recoil and muzzle flip so they just reduced the underlug but at the same time it's just lipstick on a pig man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it can be. It can be. So, first, we had our AR as a really good, first logical choice. Second, we had a pistol, which, of course, we went off the rails and talked about Four different handguns, but I narrowed mine down to the Glock. And of course course, he has the zev, which is a fantastic glock ish type of gun, which is basically the same thing, just fancier kind of a bougie. Uh, yeah, gucci glock, nothing wrong with a gucci glock. Okay, so number three. Uh, I'll turn it back over to you. So what do you think number three should be?
Speaker 3:We know, we know what number three is. Do we Almighty shotgun? Gotta have it. I am a huge fan. I am with you If I would have probably put a shotgun at number two. But I understand the importance of the handgun at number two because you're absolutely right, if I'm out walking around town, I want're absolutely right, if I'm out walking around town, I want, I want a handgun. Like I'm going it, I have it on me, it's with me, 24 seven. I need it. So it's almost not out of importance, out of necessity, right? Number three necessity I have to have a shotgun in the house, like absolutely. You know, you don't have to be a surgeon to use it. Like you just point blast dunzo, all right, whatever is left is left, but there ain't gonna be much. So you know, I would you know and you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 3:My personal favorite benelli m4. I own it. Uh, I like, uh the field stock. If you guys aren't familiar with the differences, you have the pistol grip variation and you have the field stock variation. Um, in the military that everybody used pistol grips, um, the downside to the pistol grip is that you can't, in the event that you have to reload in an expedited manner. It is a little bit more difficult to load quick. You can't double load, you can't quad load with a pistol grip. So that's why I like the field stock. It really opens up that workspace so you can slide your rounds in, get back to work. And the Benelli M4, the gas system in it, it's great. I forgot what they called it I think it's the Argo.4, the gas system in it, it's great.
Speaker 2:I forgot what they called it. I think it's the Argo.
Speaker 3:The Argo gas system I mean it's a super smooth. You can't get the capacity that you want with a three-inch shell. So you're kind of, if you really want that full capacity, you have to use the two and three quarter, but other than that you can. I mean, it's just, it's absolutely devastating, absolutely devastating.
Speaker 2:So Matt was talking about pistol grips. This is an M3. Okay, this is a Benelli M3. I too am a big fan of Benelli shotguns. Now we're going to talk about that in a little bit of detail here in a moment, about different shotguns. So don't think that you know, this is just the first choice because it's the best. Well, it is the best. I love Vanellis. I'm being vain here, but this is an M3, which means it's a convertible. It can go from semi-automatic okay to pump. I love it. So this will allow you to run a wide variety of different shells. You can run beanbag rounds less than lethal, low powered bird shot and just run it as a pump. Or you can put it in semi mode and run whatever you want to run slugs, buckshot, high power bird. This one will take three inch shells.
Speaker 2:This is a law enforcement model with the full size tube and the collapsible stock. And the reason that stock gets so short a lot of people ask that's because if you're wearing body armor, okay, so for the body armor thickness, it accounts for that and that allows you to still have a sight picture wearing body armor. So that's why the benelli's get so short like that is to account for the body armor. But of course, if you're not wearing body armor, just bring the stock out. And now you've got a nice short configuration. You can still just shoulder on your normal shoulder and of course it does have multiple positions so you can bring it out even further. Bring it out all the way if you want and then have the length of a normal field stock. I mainly prefer the collapsible stock on the Benelli, primarily because it allows me to stow the gun and transport it a lot easier, having a shorter configuration to travel around with. But when I deploy it I'm going to pull the stock out. The nice thing about a field stock is you don't have to worry about that. The gun's always ready, it's there and it's really not that much longer than a collapsible stock.
Speaker 2:The pistol grip does have some tactical advantage, but will I say that it has so much tactical advantage that you would need it over a standard field stock? I would say no. I think you know. Even anyone with a reasonable amount of upper body strength and a skill with a shotgun can run any shotgun just fine. One would argue that the pistol grip allows you to push the gun forward better. So maybe if you're shooting a lock off a door, shooting off door hinges with breaching rounds and things like that, you know if the gun's going to buck back and kick a little bit. It does allow you to push a little harder if you need to. Also, it does allow you to have a little bit better maintain, better control over the shotgun, like if someone's trying to take it from you or pull it away from you. Having the pistol grip does give you something extra to kind of hold on to to keep someone from snatching the gun out of your hand. Those are all minor points, but points that are worth talking about.
Speaker 2:Shotguns are useful because they deliver a good, honest payload. When it comes to stopping things in their tracks, payload is king. A big, giant slug like a 1, 3, 8 bernicke black magic, which is my go-to slug. I like it because it's big and heavy and fast. It's got all of the uh things in the equation that equal a deadly slug. It's got heavy weight, high speed and a hard construction. Uh, that slug is made out of a high antimony, uh treated tin. So what they do is they take lead antimony tin and they also they add some tin and they also add linotype and what happens is the slug because of the combination of the alloy. This alloy that they use it makes the Brunel hardness of the slug considerably hard. So it's definitely not jacketed in terms of the hardness.
Speaker 2:But you're talking a slug that can obliterate car doors. It can shoot through automotive glass like it's not there. It can shoot through multiple layers of drywall. It can knock out weak walls and cinder blocks. It's a very powerful slug. It's made for bears. You know defending yourself against bears, which of course I can't imagine something scarier to have to deal with. So I do like that slug. Now, in terms of buckshot loads, I do like the Federal Flight Control load. I think it's LE-132 is the part number on that round. Um, I think it's a nine pellet buckshot that's buffered, it's lower recoil and it has the flight control wad it does.
Speaker 2:That's what we, that's what we were shooting last time, and it was very good buckshot load really, really, and it grouped so tight man it does even at like 25 yards, it was like, yeah, golly shotguns are versatile and I think that that's what you, you know people need to keep in the back of their minds.
Speaker 2:With a shotgun you can run everything from a beanbag round to less than lethal, to breaching rounds and powdered slugs that use powdered metal, compressed powdered metal. The way that a breaching slug works is it has compressed powdered metal. When it comes out, it hits hard like a slug up close on a door lock or a hinge or something like that, or a lock, but when it actually loses its energy and disperses it against the material you're shooting, it becomes sort of a powder and it just throws it everywhere and it keeps anything from bouncing back and hitting you. So you can shoot a you know a breaching slug way up close. You know a breaching slug way up close and still knock a door hinge off or a lock and it not hurt you, whereby if you shot it with a you know, a bear slug, you might have some pieces of that freaking thing coming back at you.
Speaker 2:I mean, and not to say that would it be moving fast enough to hurt you? Do you want to find out? Yeah, I don't. So the nice thing about the m3 is I could have a breacher in the chamber and then have slugs or buckshot loaded up in the tube and I can shoot my breaching round, cock it, uh, in pump mode, put it back in semi and now the round that's in the chamber is going to shoot them automatically when I squeeze the trigger. So the m3 is a very versatile gun and, um, you guys might remember some of you uh that may be old enough to remember the franchise past 12.
Speaker 2:Uh, this past 12 has been in a lot of uh movies and it's a very famous shotgun. Of course you know it if you've seen it, like in jurassic park. Um, moldering, I think, is the guy's name, the hunter Hunter, the Australian-talking Hunter guy that goes after the Velociraptors. Everyone knows that shotgun that he grabs is a Frenchie SPAS-12. And it's a convertible shotgun. It goes from pump to semi and it was not a very successful gun. It really was prone to breakage.
Speaker 3:I was going to say there was some reliability, some reliability issues with the SPAS-12. But it's iconic and everybody knows that. The line clever girl like yeah, I think that jurassic park is really what put that particular gun on the map, of course, for at least the the our age, uh, you know, viewers, um, how can a spas?
Speaker 2:12, not look. Oh yeah, so the m3 is kind of the spas 12 that works now, like if you want something that has the functionality of spas 12 but you want a modern shotgun, then the benelli m3 look no further. Here it is, I think the, the.
Speaker 3:The preconceived notion that people have of a shotgun rounds having such a wide spread, um, is really what deters people. They think that you know, I can't use this in the house it's going to, you're going to get like this huge, like 24 inch pattern going down a hallway when, in actuality, I think we patterned that flight control on the D28 and it was like at 25 yards it was like four inches, it was like it was a really tight pattern and we were like we did it specifically because every shotgun is different. Every shotgun's got a pattern differently. You, if you have a shotgun, go out there and see what that spread is like. And we there was my personal benelli m4 we patterned it 25 yards.
Speaker 3:You're talking like four or five inch spread, super tight and the. You can see the wadding, hit the, hit, the, hit the plate and we're like all right, cool man, now we know what we're working with. I know that I can shoot down a hallway or I can shoot down a set of stairs and it's going to hold a four inch pattern out to a 25. And once you have that confidence, you know what you can and can't do with a shotgun. Now, obviously, with a slug, you don't have to worry about it Now, you just have to compensate for drop. So you're like, all right, I'm just going to compensate, I'm going to angle up a little bit depending on how far you're shooting, and there you go. But shotguns, man, they are something else.
Speaker 2:So we've been talking about Benelli shotguns, okay, and look, the reality here is that with benelli's I mean, yeah, benelli's do represent a considerable investment they are expensive. There are a lot of shotguns out there that you can get for less money that are, they're very capable. Uh, you don't have to have an auto loading shotgun, you can get a pump shotgun, you know, like a mossberg 500 or even maverick 88 or 1301. Yeah, 1301 are great, but they're all solid units for the money and very capable units. So first we had our ar. Second we had our pistol um, you know good handgun. Third, we had our shotguns. What would the number four slot be if you could only have five? This one's going to be difficult Again, like I kind of keep getting the swing ones that make it a little bit more difficult to kind of figure out. It's always a hard choice, but I think it's going to depend on your individual needs. I mean, obviously your needs are going to come into play. If I had to associate an importance for myself, I would say some sort of suppressed rimfire, whether it's an integral suppressed CZ, bolt action 22 or a suppressed 22 pistol, that would be useful. Or even a Ruger 10-22 with a suppressor. I've got a charger over there on the wall. That is a nice cute little package. You know it's got a five inch barrel um with a suppressor. It's a carbon fiber wrap barrel, folding brace, pistol grip, red dot 25 round mags. A 22 semi automatic. Fast you can pull the trigger suppressed, really quiet. Use some 45 grain solids, you're off to the races. I think a gun like that is very useful because 22 is cheaper to train with. It's cheaper to shoot. Um, it's a much better option for just overall plinking and things like that, plinking applications. Um, it can be used to take small game. It can be used to take larger game if you're really a good shot and you're close enough. Okay. So 22s have a lot of tactical applications as well as practical applications, and you know whereby.
Speaker 2:I've considered making my number four slot like a hunting rifle or maybe a 308 autoloader or something or six five Creedmoor autoloader, something like that. I feel like if I needed to shoot a deer or a hog or some type of game to survive, I could do that with my AR. You know I've already got the AR, so that can double as a hunting rifle for me. Now would 5.56 be my first choice for going hunting for the most ethical kill that I could get? Probably not, especially on deer and hog.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, if you're talking survival, you don't have to have a specialized hunting rifle, you can just use your AR. I mean, an AR is going to kill a hog, it's going to kill a deer, it's going to kill you know a wide variety of different game. If that's something you need to do and if you use the right bullet, you might even be able to get away with some small game. But again, if it's a small game you need. That's what you have the 22 for.
Speaker 2:So I think that the 22 is probably a more important stop gap for the would-be prepper survivalist you know someone who has that kind of mindset that might be a more useful tool than even a hunting rifle, especially a loud hunting rifle that you know doesn't have a suppressor. Sure, you could have an unsuppressed .308, which I'm about to show you, a nice one in a minute. Have a suppressor. Sure you could have an unsuppressed 308, which I'm about to show you a nice one in a minute. Um, but the point is, I feel like really a suppressed 22 is probably more useful tool than a, than a full-size battle rifle, I would say I would.
Speaker 3:I would agree I would. Uh, a 22 rimfire wouldn't be my fourth choice, but I can see why it would be somebody's fourth choice. They're very versatile, especially if they're suppressed. You can take some medium-sized game with a .22. With proper shot placement, ammo is plentiful. Most importantly, you can stockpile and carry a lot of 22 ammo. It doesn't like, can you imagine trying to cart, um, you know, 556 or 308 ammo around, like it's extremely heavy, as as two guys that carried, as two guys that carried you know, multiple cases of 556 around a foreign country. It's definitely hard if you don't have motorized vehicles that do it for you. Um, great, 22 is a great option. It's fun to shoot if you just want to go out and plink, of course, um, but again, not my fourth choice what's your fourth?
Speaker 3:choice. My fourth choice, unconventional as it may be, would probably be like a Henry lever action in 9mm. Just because it kind of works, with that perfect pair option I can extend the range of my same ammo. I can say hey, I have a handgun that shoots nine mil. I can use a henry if I need to go and shoot some small, medium-sized game. I know with confidence that with that 16 inch barrel with nine mil, I can put something out at a farther distance you mean the homesteader, the sem auto, correct with the.
Speaker 2:well, yeah, they make a gun called the homesteader, the Sim Auto, correct, yeah, they make a gun called the Homesteader.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, with a magazine, it is magazine fed, correct.
Speaker 2:I was trying to think. I don't know if they make a 9mm lever action, that might be something they need to do though.
Speaker 3:I know they make a .44 and a .357 as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pof makes a 9mm lever action. Yes, yes, they do yeah, and that might be the one we were thinking of, because I think, what is it called the patriot?
Speaker 3:well, there's also like a bighorn, a bighorn that does nine mil as well, bighorn makes a 500 smith and wesson lever action. It's a beast man and it looks really good too, but in general maybe it wasn't a henry, maybe it was a lever action 9mm. But I like the lever actions just because the simplicity they work. I mean, the action itself is actually kind of complicated if you have to take it apart, but they don't really fail that often and I like the fact that I can share ammo Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I actually had not even really even considered a PCC, which, honestly, I think if I'm running an AR with a 10 and a half inch barrel, I'm not sure I have a lot of use for a nine millimeter PCC at that point, cause unless I were just to replace the handgun altogether with a PCC, which might also be a more attractive option. We are going to go into our next sponsor before we move on. Okay, we are going to get into number five here in a moment. We're going to talk about ModernWarriorscom.
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Speaker 3:So I know that you mentioned that you wouldn't take a hunting rifle, but I would. I want something with some stopping power, and when I say stopping power I mean some major stopping power. So I would probably go with an M 77 mark two, just cause I'm familiar with it. Great hunting rifle, 30 yacht six. I've taken many a deer with that you have. Yeah, man, it was absolutely ridiculous, but I like the fact that you know it's. It's larger caliber, 30 yacht six. You can find ammo. It's plent. Ammo is plentiful. Um, it puts deer down. It'll put anything down in north america, I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 3:Extremely accurate for what it is Understanding. It's not a freaking six arc or a six five Creedmoor. It's not designed for that, but for the distances that you're shooting and the game that you're shooting it at. Man, it gets the job done. It's light, like you're not, you don't have to worry about this and I know everybody likes like these wood stocks. They look amazing, but this is a synthetic boat tail. It probably weighs like three pounds man, super light. But like you said, eric, there's no free lunch in physics. With that lightness does come the drawback of it. It has a pretty hefty recoil impulse. So if you're not holding on to it it's going to get you. But overall that's what I wouldn't want. I want something that you know can take any size game that I want, up to an including two-legged game, you're good oh yeah, that's a great gun.
Speaker 2:I I love the m77 mark ii and I I'm always gonna have my name in the hat for an M77 Mark II all-weather. That's my favorite Ruger rifle. I had a large collection of them. I did part with some of them.
Speaker 3:One of them was to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did part with some of them. I only have one left. The one that I have now is a 9.3x62. See it right there? The blued finish is right there beside you. You can grab it if you want. It's right there. It's a 9.3 by 62. So that's one that I decided to keep. So Matt has the one in 30 alt six and I kept the one in 9.3 by 62. All right, so that's what? So this one has a blued finish on it and everything. So, and that's fine, it's not a stainless model, but it's great. I love that gun and it's got a ridiculous amount of power. Oh yeah, it's extremely, extremely light.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here in my hands I have a Remington Mohawk Model 600. This is actually the gun that came before the Remington 700. So this one, if you look, look at it, actually looks like a miniature p17 action in a way like maybe not the bridge, but the bolt has that forward sweep kind of like a p17. Um sorry, which is cool. This one has a boyd's laminate, um, replacement stock and, uh, this is a very useful gun. Um, you know, it's a 308, so it's a bolt-action .308 with, you know, no suppressor, no bull crap, which there is enough meat on this barrel I could thread it. I thought about throwing a can on it. But this is a fantastic little gun, like kind of a nice little scout rifle. This particular one has a 1.5 to 4 VX Freedom, just a basic Leupold on it, and it's
Speaker 2:great. This gun is a perfectly capable food plot rifle, hunting rifle, stalking rifle. It's light enough to be able to kind of carry around real easy, nice light little rifle. Still fires a reasonable, you know, power round in .308 with a 16-inch barrel. It's short and handy, easy to handle. 08 with a 16 inch barrel it's short and handy, easy to handle. Um, now, what would my number five be. I think that something that could maybe double as a more powerful hunting rifle, but also as a battle rifle, would probably be more of my first choice. I mean, is that to say that if I were going, uh, specifically just to hunt, right, I'm going out to go hunting and do my thing and go engage in the fun of hunting?
Speaker 3:Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd rather have a nice hunting rifle. I mean because why would I need to carry around a SCAR heavy or an AR-10 just to go hunt deer when I can have something like this? It's just handier, you know, easier to carry around. So I can appreciate the handling characteristics of a hunting rifle like this and I certainly do like that. But I think that my number five slot would have to be something like a scar heavy um or some type of a 308 or 65 Creedmoor auto loader Um.
Speaker 2:But again, that that can be a detriment. It's a heavier gun to carry around, it's it's it's more cumbersome to carry. Um, you know you have to keep up with extra mags, maybe a few extra parts. So that may not be practical to some people. Maybe they don't want to have to draw attention to themselves or something like that. If you're just going about your business on your property with a hunting rifle and someone comes upon you and let's just say it's a crap situation or something like that, you know people are probably going to feel more. It's going to be more normal for someone to see someone walking around with a hunting rifle than it is, you know, a battle rifle.
Speaker 3:Yeah somebody pops out of a, side by side with a with a scar you're like, and you know they mean business.
Speaker 2:So if you, if you kind of want to be ready, but but not necessarily look like you mean business, sometimes a hunting rifle can just be less threatening, it's true, and that might be a more useful tactic, depending on the situation that you might find yourself in. And you know you, if you go stepping out of a quad or, uh, out of your home with a scar heavy, someone's going to think, well, this person's looking for trouble versus you know, hey, I just heard a bump in the night and I'm coming to investigate my trusty hunting rifle. Those are two different looks, the optics of those two things are different. I personally would rather just be ready for any situation that might arise, no matter what. So for me, you know, I'm just going to treat my SCAR heavy like a rifle. It's a rifle. So if I'm hunting with it, guess what it's a hunting rifle. If I'm going to investigate a bump in the night or patrol, whatever I'm going to do, well, guess what it's a patrol rifle. If I'm shooting 500 yards and hitting 10 inch plates at 500 yards, guess what it's a dmr. So it's going to fulfill whatever purpose I need it to fulfill. And it's going to fulfill a wider range of purposes than a simple hunting rifle would do. That's right Now, jeff Cooper, colonel Cooper, who's no longer with us.
Speaker 2:He used to, you know, actually it's oddly enough. It's funny that I'm holding a Model 600 Mohawk because Colonel Cooper would tell his students that the Model 600 was the Model 600 was for his at the time. He recommended a lot of these to his students when it came to like, you know, a, you know like a scout rifle. You know, what he envisioned as a scout rifle was Colonel Cooper, I believe. With that, though, what's interesting is that it's oddly enough that I'm holding this rifle because this is a gun that he recommended, not only this type of gun, but this exact rifle.
Speaker 2:So not to say that if I went to investigate a bump in the night with this, that I wouldn't feel armed and capable of something. But you know, a SCAR, heavy, with a nice flashlight and red dot and a suppressor, and you know, sort of decked out and a little more good to go. You know maybe even a D-ball or a PEC-4 or some type of laser illuminator. Yeah, I mean at that point. Yeah, if you're running nods now, you're talking. It just may be a completely different scenario that you're prepared for.
Speaker 2:And of course, all of those things depend on what you want to spend, how far down the rabbit hole you want to go, how much support gear you want to buy. The nice thing about a hunting rifle to Matt's credit is that anybody can just throw a box of ammo or some loose rounds in their pocket, load the gun and just go have a look, go take a walk on a property or something, and you'd have to have far less support gear to just carry this around right, there are pictures of Fidel Castro back when you know they they overthrew the government in Cuba and you know when Fidel Castro came into power. There's pictures of Fidel Castro fighting and he had hunting rifle. He's carrying around a hunting rifle. He doesn't have an AK or FAL or a G3 or whatever. Right, he didn't have a AK or FAL or a G3 or whatever right, he didn't have a semi-auto.
Speaker 3:He had a hunting rifle.
Speaker 2:It'll get the job done. Man, you know he understood the value of sometimes just moving light and fast and not being weighed down by a bunch of crap is more useful. So whereby, yeah, having a battle rifle is cool, you also have to have gear to support the extra magazines. You know that's usually going to come with some form of a carrier. Maybe you're going to have some armor. So now you're weighing yourself down with armor and you're weighing yourself down with extra magazines and water and equipment. And whereby, yeah, I mean, obviously, if that's what you're, what you need to be prepared for, that's important to be prepared for. You need to be capable.
Speaker 2:But that's not to say that every situation you find yourself in is going to require you to be all decked out to the, to the four winds just to go investigate a little issue on the property or something. So correct. Those two things are not always the same. Again, it's all about purpose and what your needs are as a, as a and you know there's these people out there that you know they would only buy a hunting rifle, right, like a bolt action hunting rifle, and they go well. I don't support people buying some autos because I don't understand why you need it. Just because they don't understand why it is necessary to you doesn't mean it's not necessary Because they have a failure of their logic doesn't mean that it should be all of a sudden an emergency on my part to have to worry about.
Speaker 2:You know a bunch of people who claim to be pro-gun coming after me and saying, oh well, you shouldn't have that AR-15. You shouldn't have that SCAR heavy, you should just have a bolt action hunting rifle. Why can't you just use a bolt action? That's not the point. There's completely failing to miss. The point is that the second amendment is about options and if I had, if I'm well-armed, I have options and my option might be different. The options I need to have at my disposal might be considerably different than what your needs are, as, just simply, someone who only hunts, someone who's a FUD, that's fine, I got no problem Someone being a FUD. But but guess what, if all you're into is hunting, I don't feel like it really gives you, you know, any agency to be able to scrutinize what I do with my guns when all you do is hunt. Very well put.
Speaker 3:Very well put. Have I done my number five, or was that number four?
Speaker 2:No, that was my number five was I was basically talking about as a semi-auto, Um.
Speaker 3:I was going to use a 308 as well. Um, and I and that's just because you know I want something like you said something, just in case, right, so we have well, you mentioned the 30 alt six, so I think you did do your number five.
Speaker 2:I think you did Okay, cause you talked about the M77 Mark II. I was wrong. Yes, yes, okay, cool. So yeah, I rebutted my number five and that was the auto loader.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So we had a vote for auto loader, a vote for a bolt action, and then the only other area that we had some discrepancy in was on the 22.
Speaker 3:Yep, whereby I opted for the nine mil.
Speaker 2:And you opted for the nine mil and all of those tools are useful. Your list would be useful, my list would be useful. So it's not like we're very far off and I think most people, their mentality, that's kind of how they think.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
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Speaker 3:This is could be whatever you want. Yeah, no, no, and I I anticipated the wild card, because we know that there's always a wild card and, uh, this is a gun that I will own one day. It might be a while, but it's the Negev, and I know I've talked to you about this like a while back. I was like, oh man, I'm going to get one, I'm going to get one, and I think that the Negev and 762. So they make two. They have the 556 version and they have the 7.
Speaker 3:And it's basically the counterpart to the 240 Bravo, a little bit more modernized, um, but just the rate of fire is a little bit faster, um, and it just to me honestly looks better. Better looking gun packs a ton of firepower. That 762 round will absolutely just rip someone to shreds and material as well. So it doesn't have to be just be like it'll get the job done. I like it, that would be my, that would be my, my wild card, because I want something that provides suppressive power but at the same time can get the job done.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've shot the five, five, six and a gift. It's very nice. The one, the one feature about that gun that I think is the most fascinating is that the optic is not attached to the top cover Like on the 240, the top cover pivots and your optic's attached to that, and it can't be as good for your optic to move like that.
Speaker 3:It shouldn't right, and you're slamming it down a little yeah and you're slamming it down.
Speaker 2:It's just not good for it. But on the nagev your optic stays put and it's just this tiny little feed tray that pops up. That's like small, it's like this big. That makes it a lot easier and also, I believe that's going to make the you know the gun lower profile too. If you're in the prone and you have to reload, you don't have some giant feed tray popping up that could potentially give your position away as well. So, and the Negev is a real smooth gun with a very high rate of fire, I do find it to be a very good machine gun.
Speaker 2:All right, so what would my wild card be? I would have to say probably the Barrett M107. Now, because the wild card is kind of a fantasy gun like that, you can just choose whatever. Yeah, is the 107 practical to carry around and field? Probably not. There might be some limited situations you could use it in, but it is nice to know that if you do need 50 cal power, that you do have a big bore auto loader that can be there to save your bacon.
Speaker 2:And I tell you, I still have my 107. You know, I kicked around the idea of maybe selling my 107, but just every time I think about it I'm like you know, it's so perfect. It is set up so right, it shoots so good. And I tell you my 107, it absolutely delivers the goods and it's been a good one and I love it. I've never had a single issue out of it. It's always worked 110% reliably. It always shoots great. It eats anything I can throw in it.
Speaker 2:Don't try to shoot spotter tracer rounds out of it. Uh, those, the spotter tracers that they use in the mortise tubes for, uh the uh recoilless rifles. Yeah, don't don't shoot those. I learned the hard way on that. It didn't hurt the gun but it could have. Um, yeah, so watch out for spotter tracer. But other than that, it'll generally eat just about whatever you can throw in it.
Speaker 2:It loves the 750 grain AMAX Fantastic round. Depending on how far out you see the AMAX, it may not fit the magazine, that's just one thing to think about. But factory AMAX seems to fit the magazine just fine. But overall it may not be the most accurate 50, but damn it, it is the most firepower. And I tell you it is nice to have that fast follow-up shot and the semi-auto capability. And you know, the bark of the Barrett is something to respect and I do like it. I think it's a fantastic gun and could be a game changer. They're being used in the world, the wars. Right now they're being used in Ukraine. There's plenty of snipers that are using 107s and they're using them to pretty good effect. You know, anti-material, anti-vehicle, anti-personnel, I mean pretty much. Whatever a .50 cal will destroy, it'll do it.
Speaker 3:I mean for the engagement distances that you're seeing in the modern battlefield. I mean that 107 will do anything within those striking distances. I mean stevie wonder could put a dude down with that thing. It's like one to one to 500 meters it shoots flat. Oh yeah, it's a freaking laser beam dude it's a very flat shooting gun.
Speaker 2:Um, at longer range it does begin to fall out a bit. I I mean 50 cal was never really intended to be a long range shooting cartridge. It was a machine gun cartridge, you know. And John Browning took the 30-06, which is 30 cal, and he just said all right, we're going to scale up the 30-06 to 50 cal, and that's all it is. If you look at the angle of the shoulder, all of the measurements they're just literally extrapolated from a 30-06 up to 50.
Speaker 3:They just blew the, the 30-06 up and made a bigger scale it up, identical, like like everything's good yep, they just literally took 30 and made it 50 and and it worked and.
Speaker 2:But it was never really intended to be a sniping cartridge or a precision rifle cartridge. It was always meant to be a volume machineing cartridge or a precision rifle cartridge. It was always meant to be a volume machine gun cartridge, you know and I truly believe that was the case with the 107.
Speaker 3:I don't think they ever intended that 107 to be a long, extremely long range sniper rifle, like it can get the job done, like they were using it to good effect. But they have to have realized that the round isn't, it's not a super high performance, accurate round.
Speaker 2:Well, that Hornady A-Max does help a lot. The Hornady A-Max projectile does help with the accuracy in the 107. I've also experimented with some turned pure copper projectiles from Lehigh. They do pretty well Overall. I would say just to give you an idea of accuracy potential. So Mike guns and gear, he and I uh, we have a video where we took some 50 cal, some 107s out. He has one and I have one. We both took them out and we were hitting three liter soda bottles at 500 yards yep whatever, if you consider that accurate or not, that's up to you.
Speaker 2:I think for combat accuracy and for the type of accuracy you need that gun for, I think that's more than adequate. Um, you know, we might have got a 50 connection rate on a three liter soda, 500 yards with ball ammo, and that's what?
Speaker 2:just m33 which is what you're going to find standard, like you know, pulling off the links in a box the gun was designed to be able to take an unlink M33 and shoot it, and it worked great, you know. And and the gun it was built in a way that it'll allow it to eat just about whatever you can throw in it. So that's my wild card is the 50. His is going to give both excellent choices. So, um, that concludes today's show. I hope everybody enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:Let me know what you thought about this long form five guns. I think it's going to be a great show. And let me know what your top five. If you could only own five, what would it be? Let me know down in the comment section below If you're watching here on YouTube. Obviously, if you're following anywhere else or following on the podcast forums, you can send us a message and give us your list and maybe we will revisit this later or take some of your comments and questions. So let me know if you have any questions and Matt anything else before we go.
Speaker 3:No, I think it was a great conversation. We had some great choices, man, and hopefully the viewers and the listeners chime in and give us your choices so that we can kind of compare notes.
Speaker 2:Heck, yeah Well, thank you guys so much. We will see you next Monday here on LOP. We are out. Bye everybody.