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LLP #113: Armed and Ready: A First-Time Gun Buyer's Guide
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Stepping into a gun store for the first time can feel like entering a foreign country—unfamiliar terminology, unspoken etiquette, and the weight of making the right choice. Eric and Matt break through this intimidation barrier with straight talk about what really matters when purchasing your first firearm.
Drawing from years of experience, they dismantle the Hollywood-created stigma around gun buying, replacing fear with practical knowledge. The conversation flows naturally from handling nervousness at the counter to understanding the difference between budget-friendly options and high-end firearms—comparing them to daily driver cars versus weekend luxury vehicles. Just as you wouldn't buy a Ferrari for grocery runs, they explain why that exotic $2,000 pistol might not be your best first purchase.
The hosts share invaluable tips that gun store employees might not tell you: try before you buy at rental ranges, be upfront about your budget, consider quality used firearms (especially police trade-ins), and focus on purpose rather than prestige. They expertly navigate the shotgun versus handgun versus PCC debate for home defense, offering insights on capacity, stopping power, and usability under stress.
What sets this episode apart is the authentic perspective from both sides of the counter—Eric's experience as a former gun salesman combines with Matt's practical approach to create a blueprint for confident first-time buying. Their genuine enthusiasm for helping new gun owners make informed decisions shines through every recommendation.
Whether you're contemplating your first firearm purchase or looking to expand your collection, this episode delivers knowledge that would typically take years of experience to acquire. Ready to explore the world of firearms without the intimidation factor? This is your roadmap to becoming an informed, responsible gun owner.
YouTube Video Link:
FPC to Sub2020 Video
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Shotgun Load Video
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Speaker 2:And the focus of today's show is really going to be I really want to make a nice evergreen video about, like, your first gun shopping experience. You know y'all can share some of your stories with me. Email Matt, email me you'll. You have the contact form down there below. You can email us, you know, or let us know over. You can send some messages on Instagram as well. We have an LLP on Instagram. You can DM us over there if you want. So always message us if you, you know, have things you want to talk about.
Speaker 2:Or, you know, give us your commentary, especially in regards to shopping for your first gun, and I thought that this would be a great episode to discuss the gun buying process. You know what it's like shopping for your first gun. I mean, there's a lot of people, matt, that are new to buying firearms and for some it can be this sort of daunting situation where maybe they're not you know, maybe they watch too many like Hollywood movies and things and they have this sort of strange jaded, preconceived notation about what shopping for a gun is like. You know, they watch Terminatorinator and they see the Terminator go in and I don't know. For some reason there's this Hollywood stigma about buying a gun. That is just kind of odd. It's almost like they want you to feel like you're in the process of committing a crime just for buying a gun. There's a whole psychological thing behind it when you think about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I can totally see that. I would say the most daunting part of your first purchase is getting comfortable with handling the firearm. How many people decide go from I need to buy a firearm, regardless of what it's for, whether it's for self-defense, personal protection, just because you want one, whatever it may be, they go from I need a firearm to. I'm standing at a counter with a guy handing me a firearm and I have no idea what to do with it. I've never held it, I don't know, I'm not comfortable with it. And I would say most people can alleviate that just by going to the shooting range and shooting it. Like renting the firearm, first, getting comfortable with the firearm Not to say that if you really want to purchase one you can, there's your, you can. But to alleviate that pressure and that stress and that fear, that pressure and that stress and that fear, rent the firearm, fire it, get used to it, load it, whatever you need to do. And I guarantee you, after you do that once, twice or thrice, you'll feel way more comfortable.
Speaker 3:When that gun shop owner or, you know, counter attendant whoever's helping you hands that gun to you, puts it in your hands, you're like all right, this is familiar. I know where to put my fingers. I know where to put my fingers, I know where to put my hands, I know not to like point it at people and and I talk to them, um, because I'll tell you, I've been in a gun store. I'm sure, eric, you've been in a gun store as well. You just see people that look nervous. They look very nervous. They don't know what to do with it once it's in their hands, um, and that's scary man. That could be a scary thing.
Speaker 2:When I was still working at Moss, we had a young lady walk in the door and you know, look, I'm not throwing shade on this young lady, but she definitely did something unsafe and you know I dealt with it in the best way that I could at the time. But she comes in and she's got this big, gaudy purse and she's like, hey, I want to pawn this pistol. And before I can even think about what, before I could even process what she said Pulls that bad boy out.
Speaker 2:Here she is pulling it out of the purse hey, I want to pawn this pistol. And she pulls out an FN57.
Speaker 3:Oh boy.
Speaker 2:A 20-round mag and she has her finger on the trigger, points it at my belly and I look down and what do I see? The safety isn't on, and you know the FN-57 has a relatively light trigger. Oh yeah, so I'm thinking this lady is carrying around a loaded 5.7. Well, I have to assume it's loaded.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:We're getting there and I'm thinking, oh my God, like I'm about to get shot in the stomach with an fn57 from point blank range by someone who was just being dumb. I didn't want to frighten her, I was just like, all right, let me have that. And of course I first thing I did, I sort of grabbed the muzzle. I said, let go, and I like, and I pulled the mag out, full ammo. Oh boy, pulled the slide back, cleared it round in the chamber, safety off, like that's the kind of stuff, boys and girls, you want to avoid that.
Speaker 2:Okay, always treat every firearm as if it's loaded. Treat it. You know you follow those basic tenets of gun safety. You know, don't ever point a firearm at anything that you don't want to destroy or that you can't destroy. Look, you know, always understand what's beyond your target, right, understand the capabilities of the firearm. You know, treat that, treat the muzzle as an invisible laser beam, that if you muzzle someone with that laser beam, you're gonna I don't know like when you're a kid and you go, you get to step in lava, like that kind of thing. I always think, okay, there's an invisible death laser in front of the muzzle of this gun and if I muzzle with it. It's the same thing as like cutting them with a lightsaber. Like if you just get it in your mind that the muzzle is deadly, then you'll never have the mindset of accidentally sweeping someone. Like, for instance, if I pick this revolver up, all right, I'm not going to sweep. If I have to move this revolver from here to here, I'm not going to sweep Matt, who's sitting across from me. I'm going to bring it across with the muzzle up and then show it to him. This way You're not going to muzzle someone. So, yeah, all right, if I have to rotate or move a firearm in my vicinity, I'm going to lift it up or point the floor. But you know, either way, either up, up or down, and I'm going to make sure there's no one that's going to get muzzled. Easy, it doesn't matter if it's a shotgun rifle, et cetera. So, um, matt brings up a really good point about training and about capabilities.
Speaker 2:Um, I think that people go into firearm uh, you know, purchase and for one they don't know what options are out there. They don't know, you know, what is available for them and and sometimes that can be a daunting task as well I mean, we are very lucky in America, especially in that we have more access to so many cool firearms you could ever ask for. So the beauty of capitalism is that there are endless options. Everyone can compete. And there are so many great options out there, priced from very inexpensive all the way up to super bougie. I mean you can call up Cabot and order a gun made out of a meteorite if you want to. So look, cabot's a great company too. Of them, yeah, you could order a pair, you know, hey, so there are opulent all the way down to basic and functional, Okay.
Speaker 2:So understanding those, you know those options, is important. You know, just because you spend a lot of money on a firearm doesn't mean you can get something that might really be that great. There is a threshold, as I've discussed in some previous YouTube videos that I've made. I'll try to remember to link a few of those videos down below. I've done a first-time buyer's guide. If you want to just digest that information separately, you can do so. But there is a threshold of value versus what you're actually getting for the money. And you know there are firearms companies that we kind of hold into certain categories where we say, hey, this is a great value for the money. You may not be getting like the fancy super, I don't know well-known established brand, but you're going to get a good product that's going to protect you.
Speaker 2:I digress, let's go back to what Matt was talking about, because he brought up a really good point. Okay, what about going into a gun shop that, let's say, they have a range attached to them and then they do gun rentals, where you can go to the rental counter and usually you pay like, I think, 15 or 20 bucks and you buy their ammo and you can rent a certain gun and try it out. So what if you've never shot a I don't know Beretta M9, or you've never shot a Glock 19,? Or you've never shot a Smith Wesson J-frame revolver or something like that? And what if you? I mean, why would you buy it if you didn't know if you like it or not? Maybe the recoil impulse is weird, maybe you don't like the trigger, maybe you don't like the way it fits your hand, et cetera.
Speaker 2:There might be a number of things that you either like or don't like about a given firearm, but it's also important to remember that you may not know what you like. Okay, so that's another thing about it too. If you are new to guns and you're going into a gun purchase, don't get so obsessed with having a preconceived notation about what you like or don't like. Be open-minded. Go in there and just look, let the salesman show you some stuff. Let them spend their time showing you stuff. That's what their job is is to. I mean, yeah, they're trying to convince you to buy a gun, but at the same time, most of them that are good are going to want you to really know your options. Okay, by all means, get the options.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't go into the first you know dealer, dealership for a car and just buy the first car you see. Would you know you? Would you know? Oh, I know what I want to spend on a car. I know kind of a basic idea what I want the car to do now. Ok, that's to say, are we buying a dump truck? Are we buying a truck to pull a trailer? Are we buying a sports car? Are we buying a Polaris slingshot? What are we buying?
Speaker 2:You know when you're going to buy a vehicle, whether it's for pleasure or for work or for commuting, right, you got to think about firearms in the same light that you know there are your daily driver firearms. There are your kind of bougie fancy ones. Those are your Ferraris, you know, and everything in between. Could you drive a Ferrari to work every day? Hey, I mean more power to you if you can. But for most of us we're probably getting in our Honda Civic and commuting 25 miles to work or whatever. And hey, we want to save on gas, we want cheaper insurance, we want cheaper tires.
Speaker 2:Guys, girls, guns are the same way. Okay, yes, you know, something like a Glock 19 is like the Honda Civic of guns. If there's a problem, okay, something fails on the gun, a part breaks, dirt, cheap to fix, easy to take apart. Okay, if we compare working on guns to being a mechanic in a car, I can pull a Glock 19 apart to the smallest piece in less than two minutes. I'm talking. I can have that gun in every piece that it is in probably a couple of minutes. With just one basic tool I can keep on my key chain. Not every gun is like that.
Speaker 3:Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:You take a Browning A5 shotgun that has timed screws and all sorts of random stuff. Now the A5 is that's another story. Now you ain't taking that gun apart in two minutes Very, very different animal, okay. So it's just all about understanding what you're getting into. And you know, do you want something that's easy to care for, a good, easy daily driver that gets good gas mileage? That's the way to think about guns. Why do people choose something like a Smith and Wesson MMP or Glock 19 is their first gun? Because it's a good daily driver, because it's reliable, because it's cheap and easy to work on and because it represents a value and a name that people can trust. You know, it's true.
Speaker 3:And the. I love using cars as examples, as a comparisons to firearms, because people have the same feelings towards both. There there's that vanity feeling it's like. So people get so heavily invested in, in the vanity aspect of firearms.
Speaker 3:You saw watches yes, so you know. So you know you want like. They're like oh, I want that gucci gun. Well, guess what? That gucci gun comes with gucci problems and you said, hey, you don't want to drive a ferrari every day. Ask a ferrari owner how much an oil change cost, or ask how much a brake job costs on a Porsche GT3. You're talking like tens of thousands of dollars on a brake job that you have to do every quarter per Porsche's guidelines, otherwise they won't do anything to the car. You have to upkeep those vehicles.
Speaker 3:Guns are the same way. If you think you're going to go and purchase a $10,000 AR and it's going to run flawlessly, no, they all have their own quirks that you, as the firearm owner, have to learn. I mean, it's just little things that like when you customize a gun that much like there's going to be quirks, there's going to be issues that you're going to have to to work around and only you as the owner will know that. It's like if so, if you let somebody borrow your car, like, oh man, you got to jiggle the key just a certain way and you have to have the steering wheel turned at this angle and then it'll start, I mean it could be a very nice car but it just happens to have that little quirk that you, that you have to, did you have to, that you have to work around um, as far as, like, you know the whole vanity thing a lot of people get caught up in that. They go in there and they're like everybody has a glock, I want something else. So then you start getting into guys that want that, that very niche firearm that quite frankly doesn't have a lot of support. So you might run into like parts issues.
Speaker 3:You might run into like support issues, um, or they get into this weird caliber FOMO where like, oh, I want so, for example, five, seven. You know people like, oh, I want to carry a five seven bottleneck. You know pistol cartridge. Like bro, it's like two or three bucks around. Man, you're going to go and sling that stuff at the range all day, like no, it's an expensive gun to feed it is at the range all day, like no, it's an expensive gun to feed it is. And you know you're just not gonna, when you run into those issues, you're not gonna spend as much time practicing and and putting rounds down range because it's so expensive. It's the reason I don't shoot 300 blackout man like. Sure I love it, but I don't love feeding it like it's. You know the way it is. It's very true. Um, so we have the vanity I expect. But what can you expect when you go to a gun store and you're making that first purchase? The same thing you would do when you go to buy a car be informed before you get there.
Speaker 3:The, the sales people there are no different than sales people at any place. Their job is to sell you something and they're going to sell you what they want to sell you. And we've seen it time and time again. You've experienced it as as gun purchasers guys, you and girls. You've seen it.
Speaker 3:You go in there. Oh, it's atypical of of women purchasers. Oh, you want this little j-frame, hammerless. It's not going to get caught in your purse when you like. They're assuming you're in an off-body carry. I was gonna to fit in your little purse, just right. It's a small little package, you know, don't, don't get caught up in that. I'll just go there, rent the firearms, try it out. You'd be extremely surprised at how many people can shoot three, eighties, nine mils. You know, I'm not a fan of the what is it? 30 super carrier, whatever, not a big fan of that one. But don't fall into the trap of the salesperson recommending you something that they want to get off the shelf. That gun could probably be sitting there for like three years and they're just waiting for that person to come in.
Speaker 2:You know. It's interesting, matt, that you mentioned vanity, because it is true in any other industry, whether you're buying cars, or watches, or clothing or shoes or anything any consumer good, especially when there are tiers of goods.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's a difference between a $1,200 pair of shoes and a hundred dollar pair of shoes, right, which is quality of workmanship, quality of materials, name, brand recognition, whatever it may be. Salesmen have a really great way of figuring out what you really want to spend. In fact, some will just ask you especially and I know this now. Look, I was a gun salesman for years I know, okay, and sometimes you just say, just come right out and say, well, what are you looking to spend? That helps me narrow it down. That way I'm not showing you things that maybe you don't want, maybe you like it, but you're not going to buy it because you don't want to spend that much money. So tell me, what is the number? What did you think you were going to spend today?
Speaker 2:That's not me being too obtrusive or insensitive to the situation, but if I go to a Ferrari dealership that sells, let's say, I don't know, maybe it's a dealership that has some luxury cars, but maybe some more entry level cars too that are still in a luxury brand, like a Porsche Taycan versus a Porsche 911, which they're both great cars, but they're two very different cars, ok, with two very different price points. So if I go to a Porsche dealership and they go. Well, what are you looking to spend? And I say well, I want to spend $75,000 on a Porsche. They're going. Well, we know we're not looking at 911s, we know we're not looking at XYZ GT, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
Speaker 3:Caymans over here.
Speaker 2:Right, you might look at a Cayman. Or hey, you want to spend $75,000. I might have a used 911 for you that's three or four years old. Anyway, the point I digress. The point is sometimes knowing the number can help a salesman narrow it down. So don't be afraid, if you're going into shop for a gun, don't be afraid to say look, you know, just in the interest of us being clear with each other, I've got a set budget today and with holster, ammo and everything I want to spend about I don't know, $750. That's a good. That's that's a good. Okay, cool, yeah, you can get a Glock with a holster, a few boxes of ammo. You know you probably get set up pretty well for 750, you know, especially if you buy a used Glock, you might even be able to afford to buy you a gun course with that money too.
Speaker 3:That's something that a lot of people they overlook is the pre-owned firearms guys Pre. They overlook is the pre-owned firearms guys pre. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that matter of fact. I would make that, now that you've watched the episode and you're fully educated on purchasing your first firearm, walk right over to the used firearms counter, talk to him first and then make your decision, because there's absolutely no difference between a pre-owned Glock 19 and a brand new Glock 19.
Speaker 2:So I have a full video series, I think, that Chad and I did some years ago about shopping for used firearms. That's here on YouTube. If you want to check it out, if you're listening y'all out there in the podcast world if you're listening to audio, only go to iWriteVeter 8888 on youtube and I've got a whole library of different videos I've made over the years and if you just look up, you know, go into my search bar, search my channel and just search used guns. It'll pull it up. I've got all kind of stuff about shopping for used guns. There are some things you want to look at for used guns. Um, there's nothing wrong buying a used gun. In fact, buying used is, um, a great way to go. We did have some show and tell plan. Maybe this is a great way for me to break into the first show and tell.
Speaker 3:Sure.
Speaker 2:This, okay, is a great example of what I'm talking about. This is a Mossberg 500AB. This gun is probably from the late 80s, so it's a little bit older. You can see it's just got the. You know wood furniture, you know the five shot tube, 18 and a half inch barrel, but this is a police shotgun. This actually came out of a police department in New York. Okay, so this is a New York police trade in it's got a butt number and everything. This is a crown grade gun with a jewel bolt 200 bucks used. Yeah, absolutely so. That actually does bring us to our first sponsor of the show, which is actually a really great way for us to segue into that.
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Speaker 3:That's a great sponsor. Yeah, great, great timing on that spot.
Speaker 2:And maybe they have some used stuff too. So you never know. Never shy away from used or new. Um, I would say, if I had to narrow it down to buying new or used, you can save money buying used. Nothing wrong with that. In fact there's a lot of great police trade-ins out there that can be had, just like that shotgun I just showed you. But buying new is good too, so it just depends. Think this If I was going to buy a 1990s Ford 250 Recon four-wheeler, okay, it's going to come with 1990s Ford Recon four-wheeler problems.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it might come with the Ford Recon price. Or I'm sorry, ford, listen to me. Honda, honda Recon. Ford does not make that. By the way, that is a Honda product. Boys and girls, I have not had enough coffee today. A Honda Recon is a 250cc four-wheeler I can buy used on Craigslist for a grand or something. Is it going to be a functional four-wheeler? Yeah, if you don't mind turning some wrenches, if you don't mind doing a carburetor rebuild from time to time, checking wiring, there's no telling it's going to come with its problems, right, yeah, you can buy a cheaper option. But you know, you may just have to be handy at fixing things and working on things or at least take it to a gunsmith and have it vetted.
Speaker 2:This old shotgun here I mean, yeah, this one's probably from the late 80s, mid 90s, somewhere in that ballpark. You know this is an older shotgun. Does that mean that the springs in it are still as strong as they were when it was first made? Probably not now, because it's a police trade-in. Okay, it's probably been carried a lot in a patrol car or something and probably not shot a lot, and if you look at it it's mechanically in really good shape. Okay, in this situation, yeah, we take it out, shoot it, test it. Probably okay, right. But you know, just understand that if you buy a used firearm you might need to go through and replace springs and maybe give it some fresh magazines. You know, have it checked out. It's just like buying a used car y'all.
Speaker 2:If you buy a used gun, especially if it's the only gun you're going to own, you might want to go through the process of making dang sure that that thing is trustworthy, and that means testing it, vetting it, having it checked out. So you need to factor that into what you're spending. You may have to pay a gunsmith 50 bucks to go through and just do a check over for you. Have them go through and clean it and check it for you and check the springs, and there's some things that gunsmiths can do. They can check the headspace and there's all sorts of action proving dummies. They can even test fire the gun for you if that's something you want them to do. So don't be afraid to spend a little bit of extra money on a used gun and have it vetted. Have a gunsmith look it over, especially if it's the only gun you're going to have.
Speaker 2:Now. Going back to used versus new, that's where buying new might be a good idea. When you buy new, you know you're starting clean slate. Buying new might be a good idea. Like, when you buy new, you know you're starting clean slate. You know that you are the caretaker of that gun from day one and that it's been in your care and your employ the whole time and that, okay, whatever's going on with that gun, it's how it left the factory. You ain't got to worry if someone dropped it and messed the sites up or if the springs are wore out or if the mags are bad or any number of other issues that could be out there. That is true.
Speaker 3:So, based on that, we do have a couple of pieces of fan mail that we'll read. One of them pertains to the conversation. The first piece is from La Grande, oregon, and, guys, if you want to send us in questions to answer, there's a link that says you know, ask us a question, we'll answer it on the podcast. Literally it's a link, you click it it's going to come up as a text message. It's an anonymous text, so that's why we don't have the names here, unless you want to give it to us and then you can send the question in, we'll answer it. So this is from LeGrand Organ. It says on an older episode you guys were talking about PCCs, so I picked up Smith Wesson's FPC side folder, chambered in 9mm. I mounted a Holosun 2 MOA red dot and a combo white light with green laser Familiar with that, probably talking about the Balder too, it has a little sling on it Self-contained firepower of 64 rounds with two factory mags stored in the stock slots. It is five pounds.
Speaker 3:Over the past year I have used the FPC to kill a skunk, a marmot and a bear. Jeez, what? Yeah, man, okay, eight-inch groups at 100 yards with a 16-inch barrel. It is fairly quite plain but wildly quiet with a can, very effective and reliable. One point of interest is muzzle velocity. With a 16-inch barrel, a 135-grain or 147-grain velocity is basically going the same speed as a handgun. A 124 is 100 feet per second faster in a carbine. A 115 is 200 feet per second faster Got it All right. And if you use a light monolithic bullets you can get 300 feet per second. Got it. It doesn't make it a rifle round, but it can be an advantage. It rests in my gentle, baby, harmless, unsuspecting backpack. Question have you tested an FPC? I believe he has. I think this could beat a sub 2000, which you have quite a bit of experience with, eric.
Speaker 2:There's one right behind you.
Speaker 3:What do you think Can it beat sub-2000? Affordability, reliability or more capable? Keep up the good work, guys. Okay, and he actually gave us his name, Jake. Hey, Jake.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a great question. So I'll just kind of quickly mention that we do have a YouTube video, a full YouTube video, comparing the FPC to the sub 2000. And I discussed many points of contention between the two in that video. If you want to check it out, we'll put a link to that. Hopefully, remember to put a link to that in the description below. You can check that video out if you want to get the full detail. Hopefully, remember to put a link to that in the description below. You can check that video out if you want to get the full detail. I will just say briefly okay, I won't spend a ton of time on this, since we do have a video addressing your question, but I will talk about it for just a moment.
Speaker 2:The FPC is a little more expensive than the Sub 2000. I do think the build quality on the FPC is considerably better. Smith Wesson makes a very fine gun. I do like the folding carbines. I think they're very useful. I do like the fact that the FPC folds to the side and you can leave your optic on there and everything's good. The FPC doesn't fold up quite as compact as the Sub 2000 and the new Gen 3 Sub 2000 has a rotating handguard that allows you to keep the optic on. That was always a complaint with the early sub 2000s is that you could not leave an optic on the gun when you folded it. Kel-tec has addressed that with a new Gen 3 sub 2000. So if you compare the Gen 3 sub 2000 to the, you know, gen 1 FPCs which Smith Wesson just released a 10 millimeter version, by the way that just came out, I noticed so that's pretty cool. I haven't shot one of those, but I do have a nine millimeter version. Um, you know they they're hitting in the same area in terms of features.
Speaker 2:Once you consider the gen 3 sub 2000, I personally am a fan of the OG sub 2000. I like it. I remember when the sub nine came out it was an alloy frame sub 2000. It was a lot heavier because it was made out of alloy. But I tell you, those early sub nines were a lot of fun and I really regret getting rid of my OG one, although I do have serial number E4000, which, if you know anything, and it's so weird, I remember that serial number which, if you know anything, and it's so weird, I remember that serial number. I have sub 2000 model, I have the sub 2000 with serial number E4000, which, after talking to Kel-Tec, was, I think like the first year or two that they made the sub 2000.
Speaker 2:Wow, the one behind you, mean Greeny, back there. Oh yeah, I painted it dirt, coated it green. I remember when you did that episode. But anyway, that's a great gun. I like the Sub 2000,. But I can appreciate the Smith Wesson as well. I would say the build quality on the Smith Wesson is probably a little better. Although I like how compact the OG Sub 2000 is. I like to run it with iron sights. Just have it compact, you know, folded up nice and small Fits in just about any backpack. Much smaller footprint.
Speaker 3:That's just my opinion. Anyway, thanks Jake for the question. Do we have another? Uh, another question. We have one, we have one more. Um, and guys, just to preface this, you guys are more than welcome to ask us any question you want, but we don't have to answer them. If they're, if they're too personal or we just don't feel like answering them, we won't but this was a series of questions yeah, yeah, there's a few.
Speaker 3:I'm probably not gonna. Yeah, so just to preface this, guys, we do like our privacy. Don't. Don't send us, hey, what's your phone number? What's your? Where do you live? Like none of that? All right, don't do that. Um, so, guys, this is from, uh, hensdale, illinois, okay, uh, no name associated with this, so anonymity is okay with us. Hey guys, been a listener and viewer of the channel for years now.
Speaker 3:Just wanted to ask a few questions. One, I know this may be a sensitive subject, but I really enjoyed hearing the limited stories of your guy's time in Iraq. I'd love to hear all of it, not just the watered down family friendly version. Two, I'd like to hear about what happened with Eric and his ex-wife. We all know they divorced, but I don't know any of the backstory. When are we going to get a chance to watch Chad or Matt get behind a gun and in the heat suit and do a meltdown? Or Eric, we just want to see more meltdowns. How often do you guys get recognized in public? Do you enjoy being in the public eye? Have either of you had a bad experience meeting a fan in public before? Okay, and final question in the series of questions gosh, yeah I mean, they only have to charge their money for this.
Speaker 3:This is like what calling cleo hey my good to read your fortune and final, final question have you ever had or thought you were going to have to draw your ccw on somebody?
Speaker 2:that's a very that's a valid question. That's some loaded questions. Yeah, I'm probably going to stay away from the personal ones because I mean, you know my, my personal life is my personal life.
Speaker 2:As would I? I'll just say that I'm very happy and things are going wonderful. My life, I could not be happier. I love my girlfriend and she's great and I'll just leave it at that Perfect.
Speaker 2:Now on Iraq, you know you got to be careful talking about stuff too much when it comes to that sort of thing, because you know and we've discussed this in previous podcasts before is that everyone's war is different. Like, if you talk to you know, 100 different Vietnam vets. They all experience the Vietnam War in a different way. And I think Iraq and Afghanistan, it's the same way. Like, some guys saw some truly heinous stuff, some people it might have been a little more. Just, you know vanilla, yeah, kind of not a lot going on. So it depends on where you were, what time you were there, what your job is, what you, what you do, where you went.
Speaker 2:So me, looking back on um, the totality of of the iraq war, you, it's just like you have to put yourself in the mentality of being this young guy and you know you're wet behind the ears still you don't know a lot about the world yet you think you do.
Speaker 2:It's like when you're in your 20s, you feel like you're a man, you feel like you're an adult. It's like when you get 40 or 50, you realize like, wow, I really didn't know anything. And sometimes it's important to to remember that when you're talking about something that's been filtered through the minds of a 20 year old, you know, 20 year old you is going to think a lot different than 40, 50 year old you. And that's weird to think about it in retrospect, to look back on it, matt, after all, this time it's like a lifetime ago, as old as you were at the time, like it was half your life ago, easily, yeah. So it's like the way you recollect things and the way you process those things that happen is going to be very different for every person. And I almost feel like now I look back on some of the situations I was in and I thought, you know, at the time it seemed pretty dangerous, but then now I think it really wasn't that dangerous.
Speaker 2:But when you're a kid it's dangerous because this is the most scariest thing you've ever seen in your life. But after you've lived another 20, 30 years on this planet and realize, well, there's a lot of scary things in the world, you kind of go well, maybe what I went through wasn't as bad as I thought, but at the time it's scary as hell. Yeah, you have something blow up near you or you see someone dead. I mean, those are all unnatural things that are not normal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would agree and I think it's just like you said. Everybody processes it differently and again, it depends on what rotation you're on. If you were on those early GWAT rotations, yeah, it was bad. If you start getting higher up in that number, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, maybe not, but again, I was on those rotations. But you know, I think it just depends on you know how early on in that g watt you were in. We were number three.
Speaker 2:Yes, we were number three, it was still kind of early and they had the elections that year yep, yep.
Speaker 3:So I mean it was, it was the best of times and it was the worst of times, and it was the worst of times. I mean you look back, it was literally how I look at it. It's like, hey, you know it sucked, it was like 500 days of just suck, but I, I would not trade it for anything in the world because that, the experiences you gain, the camaraderie you gain, yeah, um, the things that you went through, it was amazing, like it. It literally shapes you to who you are and allows you to to get through your life without you know feeling sorry for yourself. Yeah, I agree. So yeah, and then you have, let's say, we don't have time to answer all of them. I wish we did, but let's, we can probably do two more, um, if you wanted I mean that this is a conversation, could almost be a whole video.
Speaker 2:You know so and you know what maybe, maybe we will. Yeah, maybe we'll revisit.
Speaker 3:Um, so I guess we'll hit on two things. Sure, have you, uh, had a bad experience meeting a fan in public? And two have you ever had to draw your ccw? So that's what we'll end this Q&A on.
Speaker 2:Have I ever had a bad experience meeting a fan? No, never. Y'all have always been great. Every person who has ever come up and I tell you I can say that I'm not bullshitting y'all Every fan that has ever come up to me has been nothing but humble and cool and always, you know, never made me feel weirded out or anything like that, and I've always accepted that. It is just part of the territory that comes along with. You know, if you're someone on YouTube who puts themselves out there in the way that you do and you have to accept that someone is going to come up and say hello to you.
Speaker 2:Quick story, not even related to me, but related to another famous person, and I'm not even going to look, I'm not going to throw shade on this person. I've never met this person, but a good friend of mine was waiting tables at a real high-end restaurant one time and in comes and again, not throwing shade on this person. Never met him. This is being filtered through the mind of a friend of mine. Okay, yes, but this can show you like, like. Sometimes you should never meet your heroes, right? And uh m walks. Uh, yungve malmsteen. You know the swedish shred guitar guy. You know he plays the big, large head strap with the scalloped got it yep, neoclassical, real fast shredder.
Speaker 2:You know great guitarist. He comes pulling in in a red ferrari. Got a real hot girl with him you know, I mean, dude, he's a rock star.
Speaker 2:It's like's what you do. You live like a rock star. You have leather pants on snakeskin boots, hair all 80s, I mean just like he came out of the 80s, you know. But boy, I tell you, was he a jerk to my friend? And again, I've never met the man. I'm not going to. I don't think he's a jerk. I I've never met the man. I'm not going to, I will. I don't think he's a jerk. I just want to make that clear. I've never met Yungve Malmsteen. I don't know if he's a jerk or not, I'm just saying that. My friend told me that he was a real jerk to him and he was like man. You know, I really looked up to him as a musician and sometimes you should never meet your heroes.
Speaker 3:That's what they can.
Speaker 2:Someone. Can you know a famous person or whatever. It could be anyone, a famous musician or a ball player or whatever Anyone movie star, you know? Can someone have a bad day and maybe they've just talked to their 50th fan for the day and maybe you're just the one that, when they met, they're like, oh my God, like I just can't handle anymore. They can't, can't take it. Maybe, but that's not an excuse.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to reiterate that I feel like if you put yourself out there in public, you have to accept a certain amount of people coming up to you and wanting your time, because you know they um, relate to you, you, they see you as someone that they can approach. If they even have the courage to walk up to you and talk to you, you should give them a few minutes of your time, and that's the way I've always looked at it. Sometimes it drives people that I'm with crazy because they're like, hey, we have to go, we have things to do and I've had a fan stop me before and I'll talk to him for, you know, 10 or 15 or 15 minutes If you're in a hurry or going somewhere, especially SHOT Show. Yeah, shot Show's rough man, I've got to go do a booth plug or something and then I've got someone stopping me. I'm going to give that person my time, because how many hours of their time have they given me watching my content? That's a great way to look at it.
Speaker 2:That's the way I look at it. I try to be humble about it. That's just me. So to answer the question heck, no, I've never met a fan where I felt weirded out. I love you guys. And what was the other question?
Speaker 3:Have you ever had to draw your CCW?
Speaker 2:Are any lawyers watching? What's the statute of limitation? Yeah, statute plausible tonight. What's the statute of limitation? Yeah, that's you plausible tonight.
Speaker 2:Seven years, well, okay, look, um, one time I had to pull my gun on somebody and, uh, it wasn't necessarily that I was trying to. You know, I wasn't trying to freak him out or overreact to the situation, but the way that it went down and the the, the speed in which the situation went down, it was just a conditioned response. You know, one minute someone's got their head in your window of your car. You're sitting at an intersection. And the next minute it's just you don't know how it happened, but you have a gun pointed at them and, like you don't know how you got from them having their head in your window to them having a gun in their face. But it happened to me. I was sitting at an intersection and this guy just comes and pokes his head in my window. He, I guess, appeared from traffic behind me. I guess he had stopped and got out of his car and came up to my window, put his head in my window and before I could even think, I had a gun pointed right in his face.
Speaker 3:That's a bad idea for him.
Speaker 2:Well, I wasn could even think I had a gun pointed right in his face. That's a bad idea for him. Well, I wasn't trying to be mean, but it's just like I kind of gave him. I remember like kind of giving that. Look like, where are you trying to put your head, like what are you doing? And I think I might even said what are you doing? Oh man, whoa. He saw the gun. He freaked out. He got oh man, I was just asking directions. Like you know, you have a voice right. Like you could approach someone's car. I had my window down. You can approach someone's car and go hey man, can you tell me how to get to yada yada or ask directions? You got freaking google. What the hell are you talking about? You got google maps.
Speaker 3:Like you don't need to ask directions in 2024 and there might be a certain you know aspect that it might not have been entirely true until until he looked down that might have been his cover to justify why he had his head in my vehicle.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't stick your head in someone's vehicle.
Speaker 3:You know like, just because I have the windows open to my house doesn't mean you're gonna stick your head in my house and ask me a question. You know, it's just I was dumbfounded.
Speaker 2:In that moment I was dumbfounded and I it was just a conditioned response. I just, it just happened, I just did it. I looked down. There's a glock 19. You know, it's far from the guy's face, like finger on the trigger. It's like I was, I guess in my mind. I was prepared that if he was gonna I don't know, I didn't know what he was gonna do, I didn't know what his intentions were, but I, I wasn't about to find out.
Speaker 3:No, and that's the thing you can't find out, especially like I drive with my daughter in the car all the time, my response is whatever I have to do to make sure that I'm able to take her home, right, you know?
Speaker 2:Well, after he realized he had a gun trained on him, you know, the demeanor of the situation changed. We diffused the situation. I quickly was like, oh, I mean, how do you respond to someone who says, oh, just ask in directions? I mean, and the guy was kind of dumb and I kind of thought maybe he's a little off or slow. So I thought, okay, I put the gun down. I'm like where are you trying to go? And he told me, oh yeah, well, you go blah blah blah. I gave me. I was like, oh yeah, will you go blah blah? I gave him the directions but I was just thinking like that's not how you ask. It was a misunderstanding, essentially. But uh, anyway, yeah, he got a glock 19 pointed at him this this day and age I treat walking up on.
Speaker 3:If I have to walk up on someone's vehicle, I treat it like I'm having to walk up behind a horse, and if you ever walked up behind a horse, you have to definitely let them know you are there, like usually. Like as soon as you walk up, you're talking, you're touching them, making sure they understand where you are in in their space, because either that or they're going to cave your face in or your chest in with a kick. Same thing with the car. I'm making sure you see me in your side mirror. I'm, I'm giving you the hand and arm signals. I'm letting you know I'm not walking with my hands up, but I'm letting you know like, hey, I'm not a threat.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I just need to talk. I need to something, but that's how I treat that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let someone know you're not a threat. I mean, there are universal signs that you can give a person to know you're not a threat. You know, hey, my hands, if I'm showing you my, I'm walking up, hey, man, it's cool, I'm not hiding nothing, especially in this day. Or hey, if you're waving, hey waving. And they go, oh, this person needs something. That's a universal sign. Yeah, there's an escalation of communication. So, speaking of escalating, we're going to talk about the next show sponsor here, and I'll tell you what this is one that I'm really excited to work with, and you guys haven't heard from these folks just yet, but I'll tell you I am going to look into doing some business with these folks because I love the idea of stocking bullion. I do keep a lot of silver on hand, but I have not began stocking gold. That may change soon. So I want you guys to pay close attention, because we're not talking about this on the news at all. Want you guys to pay close attention because we're not talking about this on the news at all.
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Speaker 2:Get you some bullion. I'm telling you, yep, some bullion. Yes, not bullion, cubes, bullion as in precious metals. I have a theory about that. It's kind of yeah, and not to get my tinfoil hat. I know we have about 15 minutes left on the show. I don't want to get too far down this rabbit hole. However, you know it's funny. I was talking to my girlfriend the other day and you know she's such a cool chick. Like she and I, we talk about conspiracies and stuff all the time and sometimes we even just make some conspiracies of our own, because why not? I mean anyone can just be a conspiracy theory, because really all that means is you just have a theory.
Speaker 3:Exactly that's all it is.
Speaker 2:There's a negative connotation with it, I think that there are many things that give gold value. But think about it. What really gives gold value? Think about gold. What does gold do? Right, imagine you're in a times of antiquity. Okay, and I swear this is going somewhere, matt. Okay, you have this gold that is very malleable, that doesn't rust or harm your skin, right, and it can't corrode, right. So that, alone in nature, is a really odd thing to think about. So people began oh, we're going to put this on our body, we're going to make jewelry with it, we're going to wear it. And then eventually, gold became a sign of wealth, because people who have gold, you know, you have money, so people would just automatically associate wealth with gold. But I think it goes a step further than that and it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Bruno and I were talking about. It is like I think that gold is so important as an industrial metal. It's true. I think that gold is, is going to be super essential for space travel. We will not be able to travel through space without gold and eventually, once that, once that ship leaves, imagine that you have to send so many things out in space, and they have to. You know these circuitry and things that the stuff operates off of. All of these circuits have to be gilded Because copper will corrode. You know there's so many metals that while they are conductive for electricity, they will corrode. You know there's so many metals that while they are conductive for electricity, they will corrode. And gold is an excellent conductor and it doesn't corrode. A piece of gold could float around in space forever and never corrode.
Speaker 3:Well, that that's the main point and that's why they use it in semiconductors, cell phones, microprocessors, um, they use it in spaceships, like the, the foil for, like the solar stuff, I mean it's because it's non-corrosive, it's, it's a decent conductor, not the best conductor, decent enough to be used. Um, it doesn't hold heat, it dissipates heat gold is an amazing material for industrial application. Have you seen those videos where they're farming the gold out of old electronics?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:People are making gold bars out of all this stuff, man.
Speaker 2:Did you know that there's only enough gold on the entire planet discovered and undiscovered to fill up one Olympic-sized swimming pool?
Speaker 2:I believe it. And we're talking about all the gold that exists on earth that's been found and not found. We're talking even the stuff that's still buried, that's still out there. Okay, sure, could there be some natural gold nugget in the earth somewhere. That's huge maybe, but it ain't. It's in the ground right, so we have to factor that in too. We're talking about sunken spanish gold, you name it, gold that's out in space. All the gold that's been harvested off earth that exists will only fill up an olympic size swimming pool. So gold is a precious material that is finite and will be required for space travel. I agree, ask musk, he'll tell you this. I would agree with. I'm not a scientist, but you know, I mean I dabble. I love talking about that kind of stuff because it's interesting. It's an interesting thought experiment to discuss these things matt and bruno and I were talking about and she's. She was like okay, okay you know she's always skeptical.
Speaker 3:You're starting to change the mind she's always skeptical.
Speaker 2:I'm corrupting her like one wicked conspiracy at a time.
Speaker 3:All right, all right, so cool. So, before we got went down the rabbit hole of conspiracy, we need to finish up the show with what the listeners came to listen to, which was buying your first gun. You've decided to purchase your first gun. We're going to assume that you have done your due diligence. You've made, you've decided on which caliber you'd like. Now we have to figure out what the purpose of the firearm. What are you going to be doing with it? Is it for personal self-defense? Is it going to be for carry? Is it going to stay at your house? Is it going to be in the drawer nightstand? Is it a handgun? Is it going to stay at your house? Is it going to be in the drawer nightstand? Is it a handgun? Is it a rifle? What are you going to be doing with it? That's probably the second most important thing is, like the purpose. Like what are we going to use it for?
Speaker 3:Most people, you know, very few people carry, even though we have a very large amount of firearms out in the world. In the US, the majority of people don't carry. So you have to. We're going to assume that it's for home home defense, right, yeah? So what would you recommend? What would? If eric was sitting behind the counter and somebody came in and said, hey, I'm looking to purchase a gun for home defense, somebody breaks into my house.
Speaker 2:This is what I want okay well, you know it's funny with the show and tell we showed off the police trade-in shotgun. I bought that shot. I mean, look, I don't need any more shotguns. Okay, I didn't buy the shotgun because I needed it. I bought it because I wanted to use it as a driving force of discussing exactly what we're discussing. So it's interesting that it found its way into this episode.
Speaker 2:Shotguns are indispensably useful, but there are and again, I've made some videos on this subject before. If you want to check out, just go to my YouTube channel, irac Veteran 8888, and type in shotgun and pull up all kinds of shotgun videos. We love shotguns on the channel. So I've gone into a lot of detail and a big long expose on this and some other videos. But I'll just quickly elaborate. Shotguns deliver a very generous payload, so they are very multifunctional tools. Slug is like basically just a big chunk of lead Okay, big lead projectile. Buckshot is slightly smaller chunks of lead, but still quite a bit of it. And then birdshot is like itty bitty little BBs, like a bunch of tiny little chunks of lead. That's the most basic way to put it. Birdshot is for shooting birds and fowl out of the sky. Buckshot is for shooting slightly larger animals, but still animals.
Speaker 2:And then slugs are for when you just need to put a giant freaking hole in something. Yep, there you go. But shotguns are a very useful tool. They even have beanbag rounds. They have less than lethal rounds, that's an option. Uh, now those. I've been shot with one of those beanbags before and I'll tell you it hurts. It is not pleasant. Uh, it's a world of pain. It is a world of pain.
Speaker 2:I promise you're going to be very dissuaded, whatever you are doing. You're not going to do it anymore, I promise you. So shotguns offer a lot, but they do have limitations.
Speaker 2:One reason I would recommend a shotgun is because if you're only going to have a gun in the house and you're only worried about a home intruder or something, and you're not going to carry a gun out in public, you're not going to carry your gun in your vehicle. You don't need a compact gun that you're going to carry everywhere. Maybe you don't want a rifle because you're worried about overpenetration. You don't need something that's going to shoot a long way or have a, let's just say, a greater risk of collateral damage if you miss the target, like a rifle might, compared to a shotgun, whereby a shotgun is going to stop in a few walls versus some rifle rounds can. It could over penetrate, depending on the design of the round, the caliber etc. That sort of thing.
Speaker 2:A shotgun, while it does have a generous payload and a lot of power shot for shot matt, the thing that that is one slight detriment to a shotgun is that you have limited shots. Okay, so it holds less rounds than something like a pistol, which most modern handguns hold. 15 to 18 shots is about the normal uh capacity. You're going to see. It's just a average magazine capacity anywhere from well, these days, anywhere from. You know 15 to 21 shots.
Speaker 2:I think the new berettas now hold 20 shots yeah, it's crazy man, yeah you get three more rounds in the m9 now, which is great, uh, so you're gonna have an instant one third, two thirds reduction in capacity going from a handgun to a shotgun. But for every round you fire in the shotgun, the payload and destructive power is that much greater. Okay, lots of power. Uh, and there are a lot of different defensive shotgun loads which we won't get into that. I have a whole video on shotgun loads. Check it out if you want to learn. I got you. Okay, I'm your teacher, I'm your sensei. I got you. Check that video out. I'll put a link in the description box below. You're going to school? Okay, take the time, digest the information, you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about. I think shotguns are very useful. Um, I'd recommend a shotgun.
Speaker 3:You know, as a great home defense tool, good buckshot round. I think shotguns are a great choice for home defense. You don't get the based off of. I've seen that uh shotgun. I've seen all your shotgun videos. You did some extensive tests on penetration, over penetration, under penetration. There's a lot of stuff, some great content and I would agree shotguns are great. Listen to this.
Speaker 2:Gives you goosebumps. That's a trope that gets overused. Oh, if you just rack the shotgun, they'll run away.
Speaker 3:No, don't do that and don't stand at the top of the stairs when you do it.
Speaker 2:But there is something universally cruel about the sound of a shotgun racking. It gives you goosebumps, man. I mean if you hear that sound, you know if there's something that says 12 on it, no matter what's coming out of that barrel, it's not going to be pleasant. You don't want to be in front of that and you can't hide behind anything like it's gonna get you.
Speaker 3:I like the bernieke black magic slug, of course you do. That's my jam. I will go and for my recommendation. You know, and the and the viewers and listeners know, my stance on pccs. I don't like pCs. I think they are. There's not really a place for them, except for in this particular instance. Pccs make a great home defense option. One you're working in hallways, you're working in very tight quarters, so you're taking that same compactness, giving it to, whether they're a small framed person, whether a man or female, you're getting some good capacity. You can go. Many pccs are running 30 rounds of nine mil, so you're not getting that over penetration. You can get that if you run, um, you know, frag, uh, hollow points, or frangibles, frangibles. You know it's a great option as well. You don't have to worry about your neighbors.
Speaker 3:Well, you do remember rule what's beyond your target like remember that stuff, but a little bit less of an issue, um. So to me a pcc is a great option, um, they are easy to shoot, but it takes something like people don't understand. Shooting a handgun is somewhat difficult if you don't train. It is very hard to, especially under duress, under stress, to line those sights up, even with the red dot, to get that same presentation if you're shooting down the hallway, if you're shooting downstairs, upstairs, whatever it may be. Having a stock or a brace really makes it easier. You get a longer sight picture and I've never seen someone shoot worse with a pcc than a handgun.
Speaker 2:I've never seen it, never seen, and I tell you one thing about shotguns as well is I promise you that with a shotgun there are not going to be any clean riches in your house. Okay, someone is going to absolutely crap their pants if you produce a shotgun. I can promise you now, if you happen to do that, that's a perfect fit for our next sponsor of the show. Yes, that's our friends at undertack. Now, in the last episode I I sort of teased that matt and I were going to try on their under britches and I tell you what they're nice're nice, y'all.
Speaker 3:They are very, very good.
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Speaker 3:You're back to training. Yeah, man, absolutely yeah, yeah. Don't get hurt. Oh, I got hurt last night, but I'm back.
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Speaker 2:And you know, guys, yeah, go do business with Undertac, get yourself some nice, fresh underbritches and rock them and I'll tell you they're comfy and look. No sweaty balls y'all. I'm telling you they're really nice, nice and airy. And the little pocket in front it's a little different than normal. It doesn't have the slit. It is interesting. It's got like a little trap door for your junk. It just kind of like plops out like an elephant tusk dropping out. It doesn't really you don't have to snake it through like a little matrix, it's just, it's got like a little dick trap door.
Speaker 3:Baby's arm holding an apple.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a baby's arm dropping out of a trap door in front of your pants. It's really cool. Never thought I'd be saying that on youtube, but here we are boys and girls. I guess I'm going through my midlife crisis. That's okay, damn, uh. So anything to add before we leave for today?
Speaker 3:no man, I think we, I think it was some great information.
Speaker 2:If, if the listeners and viewers haven't figured out you know what the best way to purchase a firearm is, after that, we can't help you guys Like again y'all check out all the reference material that I mentioned in today's video, everything from the shotgun color codes and shotgun rounds to, you know, different home defense options that I've discussed. I've got a bunch of content. We'll try to compile those videos, put them in one convenient place for you. You want to check them out? Go further down the rabbit hole. Go check out those videos and learn more, if you need to. Thank y'all so much. Look, there are so many more videos that we have to make. The studio is coming along y'all and we're about to set up some different sets, like so there's kind of the little set I'm in, the little set that matt is in, but we have a bigger room here and we're gonna be expanding. We're gonna, you know, have some different sets, maybe a nice comfy couch, a few other areas where we can have some guests in and uh I really like where this is going.
Speaker 3:Who knows, maybe we'll start running some like we'll make some little episodic, little skits and stuff man.
Speaker 2:We might have to. We get enough people. We may have to get crazy, but we are looking for some guests to bring into the fold soon. So let us know, send us an email or comment. If you're on here on YouTube, go ahead and just comment if you want. Let me know what kind of guests you'd like to see and I'll do my best to get some awesome guests.
Speaker 2:I know I think we're going to end up having Kyle Zeperman come in and hang out with us. He's one of the defendables what am I trying to say? One of the FBI whistleblowers. He's one of the guys that blew the whistle. Some of the FBI whistleblowers? Okay, uh, he's one of the guys that blew the whistles and the stuff going on with the FBI, but he's a really good guy and, uh, they, they did a lot to really support each other. So we probably ended up having Kyle on the show and, uh, I know we've got access to a lot of cool people and we know a lot of folks, but let me know if there's somebody you'd like to see, we'll invite him down and we'll try to make it happen in the future. So, thank you all so much. Many more episodes on the way. Look, have yourselves a great week, and we will see y'all next Monday, matt, bye everybody.
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